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I ran across this tweet, tried out the argument on some anti-abortion folks, and found they were completely stymied. -- (link)

Posted by loosilu (aka loosilu2) May 6 '22, 14:29

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https://twitter.com/designmom/status/1040363431893725184 (twitter.com)

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I'd be stymied by such a rambling, specious, nonsensical "argument" too... -- nm* - Ender May 6, 19:08
Just leaving this here in case you haven't seen this (it's been making the rounds). -- (link) - pmb May 6, 16:31 [youtube]
I think it fundamentally comes down to at what point you consider a fetus a person. - Dano May 6, 15:31 11
- I would agree with this except it allows the mother to be enslaved by another. - Max May 6, 19:23
- It also comes down to whether you consider a woman a person. Full disclosure, I was very strongly anti abortion thru college. -- nm - loosilu May 6, 16:13
- Which is fine if there was agreement on when to confer personhood. Nevermind that "at conception" arguments are rooted in - TWuG May 6, 15:37 3
  - The religious right claims that science supports their anti abortion beliefs. They are disingenuous. -- nm - loosilu May 6, 16:14
  - I mean the religious right (and to a large degree the right in general) has decided that any other points of view are de facto illegitimate. Freedom - pmb May 6, 15:42 1
    - It's the original virtue signalling. I know. I was one of them. -- nm - loosilu May 6, 16:15
- Except even that last part isn't canon for them. And the problem with the first part is that it's essentially a religious argument. It's like making - pmb May 6, 15:35 4
  - Just saying that you can’t argue with someone who begins with assumption that that is a fact. -- nm - Dano May 6, 15:44 3
    - you noiw what's interesting, using that point ofz view I just tslked about completely confused them. -- nm - loosilu May 6, 16:16 1
      - The concept that a man cannot simply procreate as he pleases is entirely foreign to them. -- nm* - znufrii May 6, 16:19
    - Right. I agree that is essentially their "answer" to the argument posed. It isn't about how the woman got pregnant, it's that there is a "life" - pmb May 6, 15:48
I’ve seen similar in meme form, but not that thoroughly argued. A few minor quibbles, but overall very solid. -- nm - znufrii May 6, 14:49 6
- The challenge for me has been how to take this point of view and use it while talking with strangers online. -- nm - loosilu May 6, 14:54 5
  - Ah, I see your problem. - znufrii May 6, 15:38
  - It's like trying to reduce fires by removing the fire extinguishers and telling people not to use matches. -- nm - Reagen May 6, 14:56 3
    - I like your analogy alot. I'm getting " people should just use birth control and it won't be an issue". -- nm - St. Epiphany May 6, 14:58
    - It's actually doable. Edited because I'm suddenly not sure what your "It's" is referring to. -- nm* - loosilu May 6, 14:57 1
      - RWers view of abortion. -- nm - Reagen May 6, 15:12
it's very well thought out and presented. -- nm - Peglegpete May 6, 14:42

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