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In response to "Decline, it will be the better part of a decade before Tesla is upset as the EV leader, if then. So, yes, competition is coming, but" by TWuG

Do not underestimate name recognition/history. Many would buy a GM/MINI/Honda... before a Tesla if given good options. I might even say, most would. -- nm

Posted by Spawn Jun 14 '22, 13:23

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Well that and the negative perception of Elon Musk. - Strongbad Jun 14, 13:55 2
- I want tesla and spacex and starlink and so forth to succeed, but - Beryllium Jun 14, 13:59
- It's part of it! -- nm - Skeleton Spawn Jun 14, 13:57
You'd think that would incentivize legacy builders to actually build EVs. They keep claiming that they will, and I hope they do. - TWuG Jun 14, 13:31 3
- It's unfair to say that their entries are plagued with problems. They are Fords and Chevys. - Beryllium Jun 14, 13:56 2
  - They are finding the learning curve is steeper than they thought. -- nm - TWuG Jun 14, 13:58 1
    - No, they just suck at building cars at the best of times. heheh -- nm - Beryllium Jun 14, 13:59
TWuG isn't wrong about the dealership model destroying the car market though. Saw a post the other day with a $20k markup on a new Kia Forte - oblique Jun 14, 13:31 2
- Try a market adjustment (i.e. doubling of the pric) on a F150 Lightning -- (link) - zork Jun 14, 14:37 [Backboard]
- auction them on ebay (note for awhile competition for apartments in San Fran was so intense a landlord put an apartment up on ebay... - zeitgeist Jun 14, 13:48
Someone's going to come out with the EV version of a Honda Civic and it's going to ... well blow up is the wrong choice of words, but... -- nm - Reagen Jun 14, 13:29 28
- problem (at least in the US) is both foreign and domestic makers have basically abandoned the non-SUV ICE models and now they can't un-SUV their EVs - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 14:01 19
  - ~You wanna be a big shot! You wanna be the big man. You wanna hold a big gun? You gotta have a quick hand.~ -- (edited) - Qale As Folk Jun 14, 17:10
  - e.g. the actual maker of the Civic's only 2024 fully EV model will be this dumb ugly piece of shit SUV -- (link) - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 14:07 17
    - The Japanese builders have been strangely absent in the EV market. -- nm - TWuG Jun 14, 14:16 16
      - Honda needs to bring this Cutie Patootie to north america -- (link) - Beryllium Jun 14, 14:27 6
        
        110 mile range simply isn't going to sell. - spamlet Jun 14, 14:31 4
        
        It would be perfect for a little runabout. That's about 3x the average daily driving distance, and plenty of city folks throw under that average. - Beryllium Jun 14, 14:38 2
        
        Yeah, most people never need anything close to the smaller ranges but are deathly afraid of them -- nm - zork Jun 14, 14:42
        
        it makes sense as a PHEV range, where you can gas up more infrequently for driving longer distances but nobody in California's gonna charge every 110m -- nm - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 14:41
        
        Yup. Otherwise Make Mine MINI. -- nm - Spawn Jun 14, 14:32
        
        it's a marketing problem, not a tech problem -- nm* - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 14:29
      - not so strangely in the case of Toyota because of their bet on hydrogen. -- nm - Reagen Jun 14, 14:22 7
        
        Japan was going all in on hydrogen and gave a lot of incentives to their automakers to go that way too. -- nm - spamlet Jun 14, 14:32 6
        
        with good cause. EV alone can't scale to the current size of the ICE market, for myriad reasons - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 14:35 5
        
        Batteries work with Moore's Law too - Reagen Jun 14, 14:51 3
        
        solid state (if/when it gets here) should help. but there's still the charging infrastructure problem that has no easy fix, at least in cities of size - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 15:09 2
        
        A big part of the solution will be garages, employers and shopping putting in Chargers. -- nm - Reagen Jun 14, 15:45 1
        
        Destination charging is probably more important than travel charging for a good portion of drivers - TWuG Jun 14, 16:10
        
        Biden will fix that! -- nm - Spawn Jun 14, 14:40
      - Toyota kept going for too long with what turned out to be an interim technology and has yet to change course - JD Jun 14, 14:22
- GM is trying with the price drop on the Bolt. - TWuG Jun 14, 13:39 7
  - Doesn't work with the interior. I want a cockpit, not a flight deck. - Spawn Jun 14, 14:23 1
    - I'm not sure I understand the complaint. -- nm - Reagen Jun 14, 14:26
  - tesla doesn't make an affordable hatch does it? all I ever see is the sedan. -- nm - amanda Jun 14, 13:45 4
    - No. Cheapest they make is the Standard Range Model 3 that starts in the low $40s - TWuG Jun 14, 13:56
    - tesla doesn't make an affordable car :) -- nm - oblique Jun 14, 13:49 2
      - Their 3 and Y start at the average new car price in the US. - TWuG Jun 14, 14:07 1
        
        A year ago average was 40k now it is 47k. - Spawn Jun 14, 14:40

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