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In response to "Do not underestimate name recognition/history. Many would buy a GM/MINI/Honda... before a Tesla if given good options. I might even say, *most* would. -- nm" by Spawn

Someone's going to come out with the EV version of a Honda Civic and it's going to ... well blow up is the wrong choice of words, but... -- nm

Posted by Reagen Jun 14 '22, 13:29

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problem (at least in the US) is both foreign and domestic makers have basically abandoned the non-SUV ICE models and now they can't un-SUV their EVs - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 14:01 19
- ~You wanna be a big shot! You wanna be the big man. You wanna hold a big gun? You gotta have a quick hand.~ -- (edited) - Qale As Folk Jun 14, 17:10
- e.g. the actual maker of the Civic's only 2024 fully EV model will be this dumb ugly piece of shit SUV -- (link) - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 14:07 17
  - The Japanese builders have been strangely absent in the EV market. -- nm - TWuG Jun 14, 14:16 16
    - Honda needs to bring this Cutie Patootie to north america -- (link) - Beryllium Jun 14, 14:27 6
      - 110 mile range simply isn't going to sell. - spamlet Jun 14, 14:31 4
        
        It would be perfect for a little runabout. That's about 3x the average daily driving distance, and plenty of city folks throw under that average. - Beryllium Jun 14, 14:38 2
        
        Yeah, most people never need anything close to the smaller ranges but are deathly afraid of them -- nm - zork Jun 14, 14:42
        
        it makes sense as a PHEV range, where you can gas up more infrequently for driving longer distances but nobody in California's gonna charge every 110m -- nm - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 14:41
        
        Yup. Otherwise Make Mine MINI. -- nm - Spawn Jun 14, 14:32
      - it's a marketing problem, not a tech problem -- nm* - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 14:29
    - not so strangely in the case of Toyota because of their bet on hydrogen. -- nm - Reagen Jun 14, 14:22 7
      - Japan was going all in on hydrogen and gave a lot of incentives to their automakers to go that way too. -- nm - spamlet Jun 14, 14:32 6
        
        with good cause. EV alone can't scale to the current size of the ICE market, for myriad reasons - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 14:35 5
        
        Batteries work with Moore's Law too - Reagen Jun 14, 14:51 3
        
        solid state (if/when it gets here) should help. but there's still the charging infrastructure problem that has no easy fix, at least in cities of size - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 15:09 2
        
        A big part of the solution will be garages, employers and shopping putting in Chargers. -- nm - Reagen Jun 14, 15:45 1
        
        Destination charging is probably more important than travel charging for a good portion of drivers - TWuG Jun 14, 16:10
        
        Biden will fix that! -- nm - Spawn Jun 14, 14:40
    - Toyota kept going for too long with what turned out to be an interim technology and has yet to change course - JD Jun 14, 14:22
GM is trying with the price drop on the Bolt. - TWuG Jun 14, 13:39 7
- Doesn't work with the interior. I want a cockpit, not a flight deck. - Spawn Jun 14, 14:23 1
  - I'm not sure I understand the complaint. -- nm - Reagen Jun 14, 14:26
- tesla doesn't make an affordable hatch does it? all I ever see is the sedan. -- nm - amanda Jun 14, 13:45 4
  - No. Cheapest they make is the Standard Range Model 3 that starts in the low $40s - TWuG Jun 14, 13:56
  - tesla doesn't make an affordable car :) -- nm - oblique Jun 14, 13:49 2
    - Their 3 and Y start at the average new car price in the US. - TWuG Jun 14, 14:07 1
      - A year ago average was 40k now it is 47k. - Spawn Jun 14, 14:40

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