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In response to "Someone's going to come out with the EV version of a Honda Civic and it's going to ... well blow up is the wrong choice of words, but... -- nm" by Reagen

problem (at least in the US) is both foreign and domestic makers have basically abandoned the non-SUV ICE models and now they can't un-SUV their EVs

Posted by hollywood big shot (aka pickmix) Jun 14 '22, 14:01

or won't. which has real implications when you need a bigger battery to power a bigger vehicle efficiently at the same range as a Tesla. so if the non-Teslas actually don't end up creating the Civic version of an EV, it won't be for lack of technology. 30 years of convincing themselves that only big shit sells in America, rightly or wrongly

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~You wanna be a big shot! You wanna be the big man. You wanna hold a big gun? You gotta have a quick hand.~ -- (edited) - Qale As Folk Jun 14, 17:10
e.g. the actual maker of the Civic's only 2024 fully EV model will be this dumb ugly piece of shit SUV -- (link) - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 14:07 17
- The Japanese builders have been strangely absent in the EV market. -- nm - TWuG Jun 14, 14:16 16
  - Honda needs to bring this Cutie Patootie to north america -- (link) - Beryllium Jun 14, 14:27 6
    - 110 mile range simply isn't going to sell. - spamlet Jun 14, 14:31 4
      - It would be perfect for a little runabout. That's about 3x the average daily driving distance, and plenty of city folks throw under that average. - Beryllium Jun 14, 14:38 2
        
        Yeah, most people never need anything close to the smaller ranges but are deathly afraid of them -- nm - zork Jun 14, 14:42
        
        it makes sense as a PHEV range, where you can gas up more infrequently for driving longer distances but nobody in California's gonna charge every 110m -- nm - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 14:41
      - Yup. Otherwise Make Mine MINI. -- nm - Spawn Jun 14, 14:32
    - it's a marketing problem, not a tech problem -- nm* - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 14:29
  - not so strangely in the case of Toyota because of their bet on hydrogen. -- nm - Reagen Jun 14, 14:22 7
    - Japan was going all in on hydrogen and gave a lot of incentives to their automakers to go that way too. -- nm - spamlet Jun 14, 14:32 6
      - with good cause. EV alone can't scale to the current size of the ICE market, for myriad reasons - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 14:35 5
        
        Batteries work with Moore's Law too - Reagen Jun 14, 14:51 3
        
        solid state (if/when it gets here) should help. but there's still the charging infrastructure problem that has no easy fix, at least in cities of size - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 15:09 2
        
        A big part of the solution will be garages, employers and shopping putting in Chargers. -- nm - Reagen Jun 14, 15:45 1
        
        Destination charging is probably more important than travel charging for a good portion of drivers - TWuG Jun 14, 16:10
        
        Biden will fix that! -- nm - Spawn Jun 14, 14:40
  - Toyota kept going for too long with what turned out to be an interim technology and has yet to change course - JD Jun 14, 14:22

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problem (at least in the US) is both foreign and domestic makers have basically abandoned the non-SUV ICE models and now they can't un-SUV their EVs

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