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In response to "problem (at least in the US) is both foreign and domestic makers have basically abandoned the non-SUV ICE models and now they can't un-SUV their EVs" by hollywood big shot

e.g. the actual maker of the Civic's only 2024 fully EV model will be this dumb ugly piece of shit SUV -- (link)

Posted by hollywood big shot (aka pickmix) Jun 14 '22, 14:07

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https://automobiles.honda.com/future-cars/prologue (automobiles.honda.com)

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The Japanese builders have been strangely absent in the EV market. -- nm - TWuG Jun 14, 14:16 16
- Honda needs to bring this Cutie Patootie to north america -- (link) - Beryllium Jun 14, 14:27 6
  - 110 mile range simply isn't going to sell. - spamlet Jun 14, 14:31 4
    - It would be perfect for a little runabout. That's about 3x the average daily driving distance, and plenty of city folks throw under that average. - Beryllium Jun 14, 14:38 2
      - Yeah, most people never need anything close to the smaller ranges but are deathly afraid of them -- nm - zork Jun 14, 14:42
      - it makes sense as a PHEV range, where you can gas up more infrequently for driving longer distances but nobody in California's gonna charge every 110m -- nm - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 14:41
    - Yup. Otherwise Make Mine MINI. -- nm - Spawn Jun 14, 14:32
  - it's a marketing problem, not a tech problem -- nm* - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 14:29
- not so strangely in the case of Toyota because of their bet on hydrogen. -- nm - Reagen Jun 14, 14:22 7
  - Japan was going all in on hydrogen and gave a lot of incentives to their automakers to go that way too. -- nm - spamlet Jun 14, 14:32 6
    - with good cause. EV alone can't scale to the current size of the ICE market, for myriad reasons - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 14:35 5
      - Batteries work with Moore's Law too - Reagen Jun 14, 14:51 3
        
        solid state (if/when it gets here) should help. but there's still the charging infrastructure problem that has no easy fix, at least in cities of size - hollywood big shot Jun 14, 15:09 2
        
        A big part of the solution will be garages, employers and shopping putting in Chargers. -- nm - Reagen Jun 14, 15:45 1
        
        Destination charging is probably more important than travel charging for a good portion of drivers - TWuG Jun 14, 16:10
      - Biden will fix that! -- nm - Spawn Jun 14, 14:40
- Toyota kept going for too long with what turned out to be an interim technology and has yet to change course - JD Jun 14, 14:22

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