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In response to "znu.. answer LIR.. -- nm" by colinski

well, your point #2, at least, is demonstrably false.

Posted by znufrii Jul 10 '09, 13:17

as demonstrated by the reaction of light bulb manufacturers who would have to phase out their incandescent bulbs. What have they done instead? come up with more efficient incandescent bulbs. Regulation *can* drive innovation.

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have they? CFLs are a terrible substitute, given their manufacturing cost and toxic nature.. - colinski Jul 10, 13:22 15
- from an efficiency standpoint, assuming you can get the transmission costs down, it's far better to burn coal in a plant to make electricity to run - Reagen Jul 10, 13:27 3
  - i'm only bringing up the toxic due to the EPAs wild procedures for breakage of one.. - colinski Jul 10, 13:31 2
    - certainly I didn't make the change to CFLs when they were $20 a bulb. But they're well past the point of economic benefit now. -- nm - Reagen Jul 10, 13:36
    - Personally, I am not a huge fan of CFLs, except for lights that are on 24/7 (or nearly so). However, I am excited about LED lights. -- nm - Beryllium Jul 10, 13:32
- and how about cars? - colinski Jul 10, 13:26 5
  - The problem is that companies have not been paying their true costs for decades. Centuries, even. Pollution has been free, and that has costs - Reagen Jul 10, 13:32 4
    - that's not true at all.. have you seen the regulations on the power industry, on other industries? - colinski Jul 10, 13:46 3
      - CO2 *is* pollution. -- nm - Reagen Jul 10, 13:49 2
        
        Uh... -- nm - Plants Jul 10, 13:51 1
        
        Face it, Plants McGee - you're a minority now. You want the CO2? You can't *HANDLE* the CO2! -- nm - Beryllium Jul 10, 13:52
- yes. -- (link) - znufrii Jul 10, 13:25 4
  - and they cost $5... so what? it's not an innovation until it can replace the old at the same cost.. - colinski Jul 10, 13:30 3
    - calculate a return on investment from the reduced electrical usage, then get back to me. -- nm - Beryllium Jul 10, 13:31 1
      - (and reduced replacement cost due to longer lifespan) -- nm - znufrii Jul 10, 13:33
    - Life-span costs. You have zero forward vision. -- nm - Reagen Jul 10, 13:30

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