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In response to "I do think this will make tons of people vote for Democrats this November. -- nm" by Inigo

I'm going to level set so we can just get ahead of this. It's going to have zero impact. Dems are going to get wiped out.

Posted by MDH Jun 24 '22, 07:27

I'm not trying to be overly negative, it's just the real case here. We can vote and fight, but it's not got any sticking power.

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Having a pretty major court case decision that’s stood for decades overturned is pretty much an earthquake. -- nm* - Qale As Folk Jun 24, 08:30
This is the attitude that the people doing these things want and NEED you to have. -- nm - David Jun 24, 08:01
I think it's an uphill battle, but we don't know a lot of things still. I don't think the impact of these decisions is nothing. It will get more - pmb Jun 24, 07:34 18
- Sabato has a net of 36 toss-up House seats. That’s the over-under line for me on GOP gains. - Will Hunting Jun 24, 07:52 14
  - I do think the Republicans have done the Democrats some favors in several Senate races by whom they have nominated. - Dano Jun 24, 08:23
  - Swing Voter: "Gas prices. Economy. Inflation." -- nm - MDH Jun 24, 08:15 5
    - For some, sure. Probably even most. But not all. But more importantly turnout is typically much lower in midterms so it amplifies those swing votes - pmb Jun 24, 08:21 2
      - That doesn't seem to be true about midterms (lower turnout) anymore I thought? -- nm - ty97 Jun 24, 08:25 1
        
        It’s lower still. -- nm - Will Hunting Jun 24, 08:27
    - Yep. And “well, they passed a gun bill so they’re trying.” -- nm - Will Hunting Jun 24, 08:16 1
      - this. this is the only reason some got on board. Its a great 'feather in the cap' right before elections. -- nm - Jovian Jun 24, 08:26
  - I've also got a poli-sci degree, and data analysis is, in my view, premature at the moment. The reason that we typically have these wave elections in -- (edited) - pmb Jun 24, 08:07 6
    - Well said. Like 2020, this isn't going to be an election that has any prior model we can use for comparison. - David Jun 24, 08:17 5
      - The gerrymandering will give the republicans a few seats in the house automatically. But it does make some other races less clear. -- nm - pmb Jun 24, 08:22
      - 2020 …you mean the election that went GOP outside of Trump and the seats he tanked? - Will Hunting Jun 24, 08:22 3
        
        The mail-in one where the GOP guy controlled the mail yet they still lost the big one, yeah. - David Jun 24, 08:28 1
        
        Okay, the rules are simple…popular vote doesn’t matter. It hasn’t for 230 years so…. Trump came closer to a 2nd term than Hillary did to a 1st. - Will Hunting Jun 24, 08:37
        
        Yep. But your last sentence should read: Reality is, the country is finding that it likes fascism more than democracy. -- nm - Jovian Jun 24, 08:24
- Yeah. I think the House is gone (Dems have a structural disadvantage there on top of everything else), but the Senate is still up for grabs. -- nm - Dano Jun 24, 07:44
- This is probably where I am right now. I don't know what impact it will/won't have. - ty97 Jun 24, 07:38
- I Much Prefer this take to the doomsayers. -- nm - mud Jun 24, 07:36
Thanks Debbie Downer. Keep up the doomsaying so people see it as a foregone conclusion. That's definitely helpful. -- nm - TWuG Jun 24, 07:30 25
- Burying your head in the sand has certainly worked well so far, keep it up! -- nm - ty97 Jun 24, 07:34 17
  - Both of you need to stop being so damn negative. You make the bad outcome more likely by accepting defeat now when work and attitude are important. -- nm - TWuG Jun 24, 07:37 16
    - Voting doesn't work. Direct action does. It's time for direct action. You can't vote your way out of this shit. - colin Jun 24, 07:44
    - This is utterly false. -- nm - MDH Jun 24, 07:39
    - That's false and ridiculous -- nm - ty97 Jun 24, 07:38 13
      - It's called self-fulfilling prophecy and and the baking-in of negative expectations in life. Even the Fed Chairman talked about it a couple weeks ago -- nm - con_carne Jun 24, 07:40 8
        
        If I have a national TV show with millions of viewers, then talk to me about that. I don't though. - ty97 Jun 24, 07:42 7
        
        More importantly, see my post above to pmb, I don't even consider it a foregone conclusion! I think it's a tough environment for the Dems.... - ty97 Jun 24, 07:44 6
        
        Respectfully, the problem here is... - David Jun 24, 08:13 2
        
        Are you all high today? That's not at all what happened. -- nm - ty97 Jun 24, 08:30
        
        okay that last sentence made me chuckle for the pure visualization of it -- nm - St. Epiphany Jun 24, 08:15
        
        I'm afraid I don't know what you're talking about, you appear to be talking past me and not know what I meant to say. -- nm - con_carne Jun 24, 07:48 2
        
        Not at all, I'm speaking directly to you. - ty97 Jun 24, 07:49 1
        
        When you have bad expectations in life, it creates a self-fulfilling prophecy because no one wants to learn they have made bad choices in life. - con_carne Jun 24, 07:54
      - "Hillary Clinton lost the 2016 election because ty97 posted on ST that Trump might win" - NYT -- nm - ty97 Jun 24, 07:39 3
        
        You words have an audience. I'm assuming that audience is broader than ST. If you're only negative here, your impact is negligible - TWuG Jun 24, 08:01 1
        
        I don't really discuss politics outside of here since this is (WAS) a place you could openly voice opinions. Not anymore I guess. - ty97 Jun 24, 08:14
        
        whoa -- nm - mud Jun 24, 07:41
- Please don't delude yourself into thinking there's any other option. I'd rather you understand now. -- nm - MDH Jun 24, 07:32 6
  - Oh, for the love of... -- nm - David Jun 24, 08:04
  - Is it because you're bad at handling disappointment and you think everyone else must be bad at it too? - con_carne Jun 24, 07:37 1
    - Yes, and setbacks build character. -- nm - David Jun 24, 08:06
  - Whatever, doomsayer. And more broadly, screw defeatism and castrophizing. It's unhealthy and destructive. -- nm - TWuG Jun 24, 07:35 2
    - THis. -- nm - loosilu Jun 24, 07:44
    - yep -- nm - mud Jun 24, 07:37
Wiped out and if that doesn't work they will successfully steal any and all elections they can -- nm - St. Epiphany Jun 24, 07:30 3
- no one wants to mention it, but when the GOP takes the house they can successfully prevent a Dem president from taking office in 2024. -- nm - MDH Jun 24, 07:32 2
  - Yes. I'm a 100% Jovianian right now on all fronts - St. Epiphany Jun 24, 07:34 1
    - ohhh I like that - Jovian Jun 24, 07:39

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