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In response to "I don't want to make a Twitter clone, because I can't solve social media's biggest problem: content moderation. -- nm" by Beryllium

There's an easy solution. You require identification.

Posted by David (aka David) Oct 26 '22, 12:26

Make people put their real names and faces to this shit. Some still will, but there's a reason why those idiots in LA wore masks. They don't want accountability.

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You would not believe one HOA's zoom meetings. Internet is a problem, but these are people that know exactly who they are talking to. Their neighbors. - Spawn Oct 26, 12:38
This take reminds me of voter identification. Great intent. Flawed implementation -- nm - oblique Oct 26, 12:35 12
- voter identification's intent is to disenfranchise certain folk! how is that great? -- nm - mud Oct 26, 12:38 1
  - (requiring physical voter ID, that is) -- nm - mud Oct 26, 13:01
- Well, if the implementation of something doesn't work, I guess we should just quit trying. - David Oct 26, 12:38 8
  - True, but there are many parts of the world where putting your name to your speech gets you killed. I'm not prepared to require that of people to - oblique Oct 26, 12:52
  - Because then the crazies know how to find you. -- nm - Spawn Oct 26, 12:38 6
    - That's a fear-based motivation. -- nm - David Oct 26, 12:40 5
      - Not without reason. -- nm - znufrii, official Gen-Xer Oct 26, 12:50 4
        
        Exactly. His solution does not fix the problem but further empowers those he wants to shut down. - Spawn Oct 26, 12:52 3
        
        While i don't necessarily agree with him, I see the reasoning. In theory, the harassers would not be anonymous either. Right now you have a one way - spamlet Oct 26, 13:08 2
        
        Yes, I should clarify that I'm speaking of my country here. It'd be different in Iran. - David Oct 26, 13:13
        
        But it is like I said with Trump, his supporters are the ones with the guns. -- nm - Spawn Oct 26, 13:10
- Yeah, was about to say this. -- nm - Spawn Oct 26, 12:36
No. That is not a solution, it has significant drawbacks. -- nm - Beryllium Oct 26, 12:27 20
- Like what? - Will Hunting Oct 26, 12:31 1
  - Here, read this. -- (link) - Beryllium Oct 26, 12:33
- It absolutely is the solution. Anonymity is the flaw with the internet. -- nm - David Oct 26, 12:29 17
  - See above link. This is a wrong take. -- nm - Beryllium Oct 26, 12:33 15
    - There's literally no link in existence that would convince me otherwise. Social media should require authentication. Period. -- nm - David Oct 26, 12:36 14
      - I use my real name on Twitter, but that is a luxury that I can afford as a cishet white male tech worker. Others are not so privileged. -- nm - Beryllium Oct 26, 12:39
      - are you sure? It has a lot of citations. -- nm - Beryllium Oct 26, 12:37 12
        
        There is literally nothing I believe more strongly about social media than that it requires people to put their names behind what they say. -- (edited) - David Oct 26, 12:39 11
        
        Yes, but you are a cishet white male writer. You are privileged in this regard. -- nm - Beryllium Oct 26, 12:40 10
        
        I'm extremely frustrated by work and twitpocalypse right now, so I am going to bow out of this. But, David, you are fundamentally wrong here. -- nm - Beryllium Oct 26, 12:41 9
        
        Thomas Paine agrees with you. Anonymity is important to social discourse. - TWuG Oct 26, 12:52 1
        
        Thomas Paine didn't live in a world where troll farms in indigent countries can make people rich by lying to other societies. - David Oct 26, 13:09
        
        I feel *exactly* the same of your position here. I deem it indefensible. -- nm - David Oct 26, 12:48 6
        
        Out of curiosity, what would be the basis of requiring ID to social but allowing secrecy in voting, jury deliberations etc? -- nm - Max Oct 26, 13:01 5
        
        ID is needed to vote or sit on a jury. So, I don't understand your point. - David Oct 26, 13:11 4
        
        Clarifying: are you saying every social post shows the true name of the poster? or do they only need ID to use the service and can use nicknames? - Max Oct 26, 13:14 3
        
        If you say anything in public today, someone can record it on a smartphone, right? Why should social media offer more protection than real life? - David Oct 26, 13:30 2
        
        To Bery's point, there are plenty of murderous people who would are proud to identify online. It's content, not the name. - Max Oct 26, 13:42 1
        
        You can't write rules for the criminals. That's the whole point. They just keep breaking the laws in more brazen ways. - David Oct 26, 13:44
  - it'll also get lots of people killed -- nm - decline Oct 26, 12:30

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