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In response to "there's also a survivor bias to the extent that Tesla owners only experience the finished product on the road and have no idea what shitshow process" by hollywood big shot

I'm not saying TSLA isn't objectively a shitshow, but the people who (currently) work there are at least used to it being a shitshow.

Twitter, notsomuch, or rather, not so much Elon's kind of shitshow.

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