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tim (and anyone else with eyes that see) the numbers are pretty clear -- (link)

Posted by hollywood big shot (aka pickmix) Dec 6 '22, 10:05

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cutting releases by a third annually = commensurate loss of revenue (twitter.com)

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I'm not sure when one can start comparing pre-and-post COVID numbers, but I don't think 2022 is the year. -- nm - Qale Dec 6, 10:40 4
- probably should wait until Peacock and Paramount Plus fully go tits up, honestly -- nm - hollywood big shot Dec 6, 10:55 3
  - I look forward to the A24 streaming service. -- nm - Qale Dec 6, 11:12 2
    - Apple should probably throw a lot of money at them to get exclusivity -- nm - hollywood big shot Dec 6, 11:23 1
      - Might be too ‘adult’ for them. But pay for “first pick” definitely. -- nm - Qale Dec 6, 12:59
What percent of total movies were Marvel movies 2019 vs. 2022? That would affect the average box office per movie stat. -- nm - Dano Dec 6, 10:16 8
- 3/97 (3.1%) for 2019, 3/61 (4.9%) for 2022. -- nm - Inigo Dec 6, 10:39 7
  - but post Endgame, Marvels are also just down generally across the board (other than Sony’s Spidey stuff). not sure you can count on them to return to - hollywood big shot Dec 6, 10:47 6
    - Definitely not, and Marvel won't get to those heights again. - Inigo Dec 6, 10:55 5
      - That's a LOT of pressure you're putting on Disney as the top four there. -- nm - David Dec 6, 11:28 4
        
        Elemental and Wish are wildcards, but not necessary for things to improve. - Inigo Dec 6, 11:49 3
        
        Oh, 2023 pretty much has to be better by default, but the fundamental erosion isn't going away. - David Dec 6, 12:06 2
        
        thank god Tom Cruise and Paramount never bought into this snake oil. theatrical will certainly continue to erode if you stop putting all your features - hollywood big shot Dec 6, 12:17 1
        
        Oh, that's a good point. We've got one film skewing 2022 domestic box office by 12%. So maybe 2023 won't be that much better. -- nm - David Dec 6, 12:42
That was the tweet I was looking for. that average would not be remotely sustainable if it were the same amount of releases. - Tim Dec 6, 10:16 5
- It's less an issue of films going to streaming than it is less movies being made overall for 2022 at least. - Inigo Dec 6, 10:43
- theaters cannot exist on four tentpoles from the major studios a year alone. and studios can’t afford to make $250m tentpoles just for streaming - hollywood big shot Dec 6, 10:32 3
  - Correct. They can't. So, you would expect someone in that position not to try to dictate terms with potential suppliers. - David Dec 6, 10:44 2
    - If the suppliers were honest brokers who had the whole industry’s interest at heart, maybe - hollywood big shot Dec 6, 10:51 1
      - As opposed to the source of your tweet, the...National Association of Theatre Owners? -- nm - David Dec 6, 11:27
Would this be due to production stoppages due to COVID? It seems like if Production was halted in 2020/2021 we would see the effect now. -- nm - Dano Dec 6, 10:13 3
- And most of the movies that were held back have released one way or another. -- nm - Tim Dec 6, 10:13 2
  - I haven't looked, but does 2023 look like it's more normal in terms of volume of releases? -- nm - Dano Dec 6, 10:14 1
    - Yes, it's way more films. Big budget and smaller films. -- nm - Inigo Dec 6, 10:36

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