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What would accurate look like? Because this outcome was well within the range of outcomes SpaceX expected. Their

Posted by TWuG Apr 20 '23, 09:52

Measure of success for this launch was to clear the launch tower. Everything after that point was gravy.

People arguing that this launch wasn't a success are talking out of their asses and showing how unserious they are.

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Success in Failure: Space X Gleans Key Data After Rocket Explosion -- nm* - Qale Apr 20, 10:00
But do you think the lay reader understands that nuance? - znufrii Apr 20, 09:56 4
- If reporters are doing their job, yes. Also, the headline isn't meant to be the full story. - TWuG Apr 20, 10:05 2
  - Reporters don’t write the headlines, and it’s precisely the headline I’m faulting here, because that’s all most people will see. - znufrii Apr 20, 10:09 1
    - Nah, it's maybe clickbait: "A success, but it exploded?" The failure is with people who think that and then fail to read the article. - TWuG Apr 20, 10:13
- You will not question its success!!!!! -- nm - Jovian Apr 20, 09:57
The tweet should have been: "Starship explodes, but Musk and SpaceX happy because astronauts are expendable" -- nm - decline Apr 20, 09:55 7
- What I'll say here is that the microreactions of the people in that room were looks of abject failure. - David Apr 20, 10:07 6
  - Sure, I'd be bummed too if it had gone that far past initial expectations and then fell apart. - TWuG Apr 20, 10:16 4
    - No. These people looked defeated. -- nm - David Apr 20, 10:18 3
      - Spend a year or more on a project. Dot your i's and cross your t's on something no one anywhere has ever done before. Set a goal - TWuG Apr 20, 10:24 2
        
        Also is there reporting that the SpaceX middle management is the cavalier Enron of engineering companies? - Max Apr 20, 10:27 1
        
        Pretty much the IM. - TWuG Apr 20, 10:35
  - Completely understandable for that to be the case given how much work has gone in to even getting to program to this place. - znufrii Apr 20, 10:11
Or have gotten so complacent with rocketry they expect it to work first time, every time. -- nm - spamlet Apr 20, 09:55 2
- How many disassemblies did SpaceX encounter before landing a booster? It felt like dozens. -- nm - Beryllium Apr 20, 09:55 1
  - It was a fair number. And now Falcon 9 launches about every 4 days, with nearly 200 booster recoveries. - TWuG Apr 20, 09:59
Personally, I think anything that doesnt literally have them sucking Elon's dick might be a good first step. -- nm - Jovian Apr 20, 09:54 1
- "literally"! -- nm - mud Apr 20, 09:56

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