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Seeing as TWuG tends to post after I've gone can someone point him to this post re his T-shirt. - LMS Jul 21, 06:59
The cost of the public health plan is scary.. i picture it being set by people like Lucille Bluth.. "How much could a banana cost? Ten dollars?" - colinski Jul 21, 06:58 27
- Health insurance is expensive. That's why so many people don't buy it. -- nm - TFox Jul 21, 07:01 25
  - I have literally choked on spit when I see how much some of you pay for it. - Reagen Jul 21, 07:04 23
    - How are the insurance companies make a profit in your fantasy world??!? -- nm - Don Homer Jul 21, 07:09 1
      - I still love when this is the default answer. The majority of the cost is the services. Slice off the companies' profit margins... - TFox Jul 21, 07:11
    - Have you seen what it costs when you don't have it? -- nm - loosilu Jul 21, 07:08 13
      - For Zoe, it was close to $25,000 for 5 days in the hospital. nm - ralph wiggum Jul 21, 07:19
      - No - we're Canadian. - Beryllium Jul 21, 07:13 1
        
        Poor guy -- nm - Rick Allen Jul 21, 07:14
      - And Kelly's discussions about Cobra scared me too...and thats supposed to be a fallback!! -- nm - Walt_Disney Jul 21, 07:10 3
        
        The last place that laid me off (a Canadian company) stopped paying Cobra for US employees, and didn't tell us. They didn't realize how much - loosilu Jul 21, 07:19
        
        (The $500/mo I was paying was for medical and dental.) -- nm - kelly Jul 21, 07:16 1
        
        just to give you guys a reference, i only pay about $800/month in income tax, total. - Andie Jul 21, 07:19
      - or relatedly, how much it costs if the care provider rejects your insurance and goes after you. -- nm - tRuMaN Jul 21, 07:10 5
        
        minute clinic is still trying to collect the other $40 from my $60 visit my insurance aparently wouldn't pay.. - colinski Jul 21, 07:11 4
        
        my dad went to the emergency room about 7 months ago, one specialist refused to file against his insurance, - tRuMaN Jul 21, 07:16 3
        
        how much does that sort of admin cost? all that reporting, and collection agencies taking their cut, etc etc? -- nm - Andie Jul 21, 07:17 2
        
        It's significant. But it doesn't necessarily go away under the new proposals either. -- nm - TFox Jul 21, 07:20
        
        no idea. -- nm - tRuMaN Jul 21, 07:18
    - to some extend it's like Battered Wife Syndrome... - Mel Profit Jul 21, 07:08
    - Yeah.....I agree....didnt Groiny say that he pays over $1000 a month for his to cover a family of four? -- nm - Walt_Disney Jul 21, 07:06 5
      - sounds about right. -- nm - loosilu Jul 21, 07:08
      - I used to pay $500 to just cover my wife, on top of the cost of my plan. - tRuMaN Jul 21, 07:07
      - that just terrifies me. -- nm - Andie Jul 21, 07:07 2
        
        I am really, really happy that my mom and dad are covered by my dad's government plan.' -- nm - loosilu Jul 21, 07:10
        
        word. -- nm - Beaker Jul 21, 07:08
  - even when i was paying 100%, i still had it and it wasn't too bad... i'm hoping there will be some nice tax writeoffs associated with it - colinski Jul 21, 07:03
- That's friggin crazy. -- nm - lileve Jul 21, 06:59
sigh, waking up to a discover card fraud prevention services call, no so much fun. - tRuMaN Jul 21, 06:55 6
- damn Ambien! -- nm - Reagen Jul 21, 07:05 1
  - Check to see if a pound of raw bacon is also missing from the fridge. -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Jul 21, 07:10
- the alternate-you is having more fun than the real you. it's a sign you need to take a vacation. -- nm - Andie Jul 21, 06:58
- well.... are you in the Dominican Republic at the moment? -- nm - colinski Jul 21, 06:56 2
  - no. -- nm - tRuMaN Jul 21, 06:57 1
    - then i have no answer for you... -- nm - colinski Jul 21, 06:58
sitwap: Big Ben being sued for alleged sexual assault -- (link) - Beaker Jul 21, 06:43 3
- hmm ... also, I hope little ben was wearing a helmet -- nm - Beryllium Jul 21, 07:06
- In Canada Big Ben is a horse that won many compeitions and Olympic medals with Ian Milllar. - Walt_Disney Jul 21, 07:05
- but everyone loves the clock -- nm - Beryllium Jul 21, 06:56
posted?: "Sometimes, you just gotta say, 'OK, I still have nine live, two-headed animals,' and move on.'' -- (link) - safari for windows *loves* mandy lane Jul 21, 06:29 1
- That's a great article...finished up with one of the best quotes ever. -- nm - Jim Jul 21, 06:55
am i reading this right? according to this person who has read the bill, there will be no more private insurance.. - colinski Jul 21, 06:28 41
- you do realize that the House, not Obama, wrote these bills, and therefore he is not to blame right? -- nm - tRuMaN Jul 21, 06:57 6
  - Really, if he doesn't like the negative press, he should put together his own plan instead of basically ordering Congress to write him one. - Will Hunting Jul 21, 07:13 1
    - he went overboard with lessons from the Clinton healthcare plan - tRuMaN Jul 21, 07:18
  - he's pushing it, he's making the promises, he gets the blame.. - colinski Jul 21, 07:10 2
    - sure, but Bush pushed and signed stuff into law, obama hasnt even signed this into law yet. -- nm - tRuMaN Jul 21, 07:17 1
      - And he won't. Cuz this is going nowhere. -- nm - Will Hunting Jul 21, 07:17
  - also, that isn't written by a journalist, its basically an oped agenda piece. -- nm - tRuMaN Jul 21, 07:04
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  - But I don't see why that = "no more private insurance" -- nm - Roger More Jul 21, 06:33 27
    - did you read the article i linked? according to the bill, you'll be required to go into gov't health care within 5 years.. sooner if you pay for your - colinski Jul 21, 06:35 26
      - It says the giovernment will select healthcare plans that meet its standards - they could be public or private -- nm - Roger More Jul 21, 06:39
      - "qualified health insurance plan" /= "government health care" - znufrii Jul 21, 06:36 24
        
        yeah... it means the private option must match the gov't option.. - colinski Jul 21, 06:41 17
        
        That's not saying what you think it says. - znufrii Jul 21, 06:45 15
        
        Regardless, the existence of a floor for quality of coverage doesn't bother me. It's the implication of a ceiling that shocks the hell out of me. -- nm - TFox Jul 21, 06:52 13
        
        (or, to clarify, I suspect the intention of the wording in the bill was to prevent companies from circumventing minimum standards...) - TFox Jul 21, 06:57
        
        What language are you seeing that implies that? Because that wouldn't make any sense to me, either. -- nm - znufrii Jul 21, 06:53 11
        
        I included it below in this post: -- (link) - TFox Jul 21, 06:58 [Backboard] 5
        
        Thought that was what you were referring to... - znufrii Jul 21, 06:59 4
        
        Like I said, that was why I wanted to see the Senate version of the bill, to confirm. - TFox Jul 21, 07:00 3
        
        I'd like to verify her conclusions, though. - znufrii Jul 21, 07:03 2
        
        I know, I said this from the start. -- nm - TFox Jul 21, 07:09 1
        
        Looks like the title is "The Affordable Health Choices Act" - Roger More Jul 21, 07:10
        
        see below about the Health Exchange.. - colinski Jul 21, 06:55 4
        
        Yeah, I haven't read enough of the bill to have any idea how that mechanism is going to work. -- nm - znufrii Jul 21, 06:58 3
        
        it's like a stock market for health care! if the demand for mammograms is up, you'll be paying more.. -- nm - colinski Jul 21, 07:00 2
        
        Somehow I doubt this is the case. :) -- nm - znufrii Jul 21, 07:01 1
        
        yeah, but wouldn't it be more fun? "Colonoscopys are down today! I gotta get to the doctor!" -- nm - colinski Jul 21, 07:02
        
        hmm. i'm gonna keep reading, see if i can get more clarification... - colinski Jul 21, 06:48
        
        To your last line, that is exactly what would concern me too. I hadn't seen that provision before in the summaries I've been sent. -- nm - TFox Jul 21, 06:42
        
        and if I'm reading correctly, Year 1 for that standard is 2013, and it'll be grandfathered for five years after that. -- nm - znufrii Jul 21, 06:39 5
        
        That said, this one phrase in colin's link is very troublesome, and I want to see the part she is referencing: - TFox Jul 21, 06:42 4
        
        well, reducing consumption is really the only way to cut cost.. - colinski Jul 21, 06:46 2
        
        Yep, we're mostly in agreement, and the car insurance comparison is an excellent, perfect example. - TFox Jul 21, 06:50 1
        
        i think it's the difference between making it a requirement and making it a right.. - colinski Jul 21, 06:55
        
        I wish the author had cited sections instead of pages, would make it easier to find. -- nm - znufrii Jul 21, 06:46
  - �if you are happy with your plan, and if you are happy with your doctor, we don�t want you to have to change.� - colinski Jul 21, 06:33 4
    - Thomas is your friend -- (link) - znufrii Jul 21, 06:35 3
      - Not being an expert in that Thomas thing, can you find the Senate bill too? - TFox Jul 21, 06:40 1
        
        Difficult unless you know the bill number or exact title. -- nm - znufrii Jul 21, 06:43
      - ah, thank you mucho. -- nm - colinski Jul 21, 06:36
Can we talk kids for a minute? I'm really surprised that we've been able to raise a fairly well-disciplined child w/o having to spank - prayformojo Jul 21, 06:19 12
- my older brother never needed spanking... - colinski Jul 21, 06:29 1
  - You sound like my younger brother. My parents have told me I did nothing to prepare them for him. ;) -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Jul 21, 06:42
- When we put Michael in timeout, it always makes me think of the last scene in The Blair Witch Project. - Inigo Jul 21, 06:26 5
  - Andrew loves timeout. Sometimes when's bad/bratty (like throwing the cat food, for example *grr*), he'll run to the timeout corner before we even - Don Homer Jul 21, 06:31 4
    - Hannah used to try and give herself timeouts. It was a control thing with her. - Inigo Jul 21, 06:37
    - Curious. Do they work as a deterrent when he's not so inclined? -- nm - prayformojo Jul 21, 06:32 2
      - No, but he's still young. We've stopped doing to for now. - Don Homer Jul 21, 06:36 1
        
        /doing it/ -- nm - Don Homer Jul 21, 06:38
- Well, what we found with our boys was that they'd stop a second and you could almost read their mind... - Jim Jul 21, 06:22 2
  - yeah, that's more or less what i'm expecting -- nm - prayformojo Jul 21, 06:22
  - This was as they got older, btw. -- nm - Jim Jul 21, 06:22
- They always seem to work surprisingly well on Supernanny... - Cuzzin Todd Jul 21, 06:21
Today is the day I break the bank on DVDs. -- nm - nubby, Astronauts champion Jul 21, 06:19 20
- Yesterday was, almost accidentally, an $80 DVD day. - TFox Jul 21, 06:24
- I haven't bought a DVD in...months or maybe a year. - JaxSean Jul 21, 06:23 3
  - When they were $12.99 at Target? Almost did that myself then figured... - Cuzzin Todd Jul 21, 06:28 2
    - Yep. We've actually lent them to friends to watch, we just haven't found the time yet. (which reminds me I need to send Damages. crud.) -- nm - JaxSean Jul 21, 06:32 1
      - heh - I find that's often what I do with shows I've purchased. May not watch them myself - Cuzzin Todd Jul 21, 06:40
- what are you buying? -- nm - Don Homer Jul 21, 06:20 14
  - Watchmen, Coraline, Psych S3, Pushing Daisies S2, This American Life S2 -- nm - nubby, Astronauts champion Jul 21, 06:23 13
    - Rental, no, yes, no, pass. -- nm - Will Hunting Jul 21, 06:25 12
      - Coraline is all kinds of wonderful. - JaxSean Jul 21, 06:28 8
        
        Yes. -- nm - loosilu Jul 21, 06:38
        
        i liked it in regular dimensions... it was pretty cool. - colinski Jul 21, 06:36 1
        
        I liked the 3d but a whole movie of it makes me kinda seasick. -- nm - loosilu Jul 21, 06:39
        
        I kept my RealD glasses from the theater. -- nm - nubby, Astronauts champion Jul 21, 06:32 4
        
        *puppy dog head-tilt* - JaxSean Jul 21, 06:33 3
        
        Why not? If I sit on the other end of the house... :) -- nm - nubby, Astronauts champion Jul 21, 06:36 1
        
        (Reading up, it's actually much more complicated than that.) -- nm - nubby, Astronauts champion Jul 21, 06:40
        
        I don't believe they do -- nm - MDH Jul 21, 06:34
      - The first two will be arriving at the house today via Netflix - Pushing Dasies will probably be purchased at some point (just not by/for you). -- nm - kelly Jul 21, 06:26 2
        
        Yeah, I'll wait to see on Watchmen if i wanna buy it. -- nm - Will Hunting Jul 21, 06:27 1
        
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To quell criticism, some doctors require patients to sign "gag orders" to prohibit posting on review sites like ratemds, yelp, drscore, etc. -- (link) - Don Homer Jul 21, 06:18 2
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  - SWAT teams. -- nm - Don Homer Jul 21, 06:21
Today's lesson in "why RI lawmakers don't always have their ish together": it's a-ok for minors to strip at strip clubs in RI. -- (link) - TFox Jul 21, 06:17 5
- There's so much wrong with that. -- nm - Will Hunting Jul 21, 06:22 4
  - Word. If you can't get into the club as a patron until you're 21...that's all kinds of - Jim Jul 21, 06:23 3
    - I'm just wondering, woudln't that be setting up the patrons to be violating some laws on underage? -- nm - Will Hunting Jul 21, 06:26 2
      - says you can't photograph or film minors... doesn't say a thing about looking at them.. -- nm - colinski Jul 21, 06:44 1
        
        or, apparently, letting them rub all up on you for a lapdance either. - TFox Jul 21, 06:52
Emma Watson confirms she will be heading to the States to go to college. -- (link) - kelly Jul 21, 06:11 3
- sweet -- nm - Matrix_Mafia Jul 21, 07:05
- Ooh, ooh! - nubby, Astronauts champion Jul 21, 06:13
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How'd it get burned how'd it get burned. -- nm - nubby, Astronauts champion Jul 21, 06:10 2
- herpes? -- nm - Don Homer Jul 21, 06:14
- Friction? -- nm - mara Jul 21, 06:11
child's remains found near Guelph, Ont. have been positively identified as Victoria Stafford -- nm - zork Jul 21, 06:05
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- And I don't think there's a chance he'll be the 6th best WR in the NFC either. -- nm - Jim Jul 21, 06:20 8
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    - By the way...for your dynasty league...if you have a spot open... - Jim Jul 21, 06:24 1
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    - See this, kelly? I'm just saying... -- nm - TFox Jul 21, 06:22 4
      - Whaaaat? -- nm - kelly Jul 21, 06:25 3
        
        4th? -- nm - TFox Jul 21, 06:26 2
        
        Oh my god, you are annoying the shit out of me. -- nm - kelly Jul 21, 06:29 1
        
        I just want you to succeed, buddy. -- nm - TFox Jul 21, 06:34
lyc: I have been having tthe weirdest dreams - znufrii Jul 21, 06:03 4
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  - You sound jealous. -- nm - Don Homer Jul 21, 06:11 1
    - It's not my fault his implant got rejected. -- nm - znufrii Jul 21, 06:15
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Uploaded some recent pictures from this weekend (and prior), if you're interested. -- (link) - Don Homer Jul 21, 06:03 [flickr]
At what point does a "cupcake" become "cake?" -- (link) - JaxSean Jul 21, 06:01 2
- 60 lbs of icing is cheating! -- nm - Roger More Jul 21, 06:18
- Yeah, that's crap. -- nm - Will Hunting Jul 21, 06:02

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