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am i reading this right? according to this person who has read the bill, there will be no more private insurance..

Posted by colinski (aka colinski) Jul 21 '09, 06:28

PRESIDENT Obama promises that "if you like your health plan, you can keep it," even after he reforms our health-care system. That's untrue. The bills now before Congress would force you to switch to a managed-care plan with limits on your access to specialists and tests.

Two main bills are being rushed through Congress with the goal of combining them into a finished product by August. Under either, a new government bureaucracy will select health plans that it considers in your best interest, and you will have to enroll in one of these "qualified plans." If you now get your plan through work, your employer has a five-year "grace period" to switch you into a qualified plan. If you buy your own insurance, you'll have less time.

Credibly source as well, not just some journalist.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07172009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_broken_promises_179667.htm (www.nypost.com)

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you do realize that the House, not Obama, wrote these bills, and therefore he is not to blame right? -- nm - tRuMaN Jul 21, 06:57 6
- Really, if he doesn't like the negative press, he should put together his own plan instead of basically ordering Congress to write him one. - Will Hunting Jul 21, 07:13 1
  - he went overboard with lessons from the Clinton healthcare plan - tRuMaN Jul 21, 07:18
- he's pushing it, he's making the promises, he gets the blame.. - colinski Jul 21, 07:10 2
  - sure, but Bush pushed and signed stuff into law, obama hasnt even signed this into law yet. -- nm - tRuMaN Jul 21, 07:17 1
    - And he won't. Cuz this is going nowhere. -- nm - Will Hunting Jul 21, 07:17
- also, that isn't written by a journalist, its basically an oped agenda piece. -- nm - tRuMaN Jul 21, 07:04
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- But I don't see why that = "no more private insurance" -- nm - Roger More Jul 21, 06:33 27
  - did you read the article i linked? according to the bill, you'll be required to go into gov't health care within 5 years.. sooner if you pay for your - colinski Jul 21, 06:35 26
    - It says the giovernment will select healthcare plans that meet its standards - they could be public or private -- nm - Roger More Jul 21, 06:39
    - "qualified health insurance plan" /= "government health care" - znufrii Jul 21, 06:36 24
      - yeah... it means the private option must match the gov't option.. - colinski Jul 21, 06:41 17
        
        That's not saying what you think it says. - znufrii Jul 21, 06:45 15
        
        Regardless, the existence of a floor for quality of coverage doesn't bother me. It's the implication of a ceiling that shocks the hell out of me. -- nm - TFox Jul 21, 06:52 13
        
        (or, to clarify, I suspect the intention of the wording in the bill was to prevent companies from circumventing minimum standards...) - TFox Jul 21, 06:57
        
        What language are you seeing that implies that? Because that wouldn't make any sense to me, either. -- nm - znufrii Jul 21, 06:53 11
        
        I included it below in this post: -- (link) - TFox Jul 21, 06:58 [Backboard] 5
        
        Thought that was what you were referring to... - znufrii Jul 21, 06:59 4
        
        Like I said, that was why I wanted to see the Senate version of the bill, to confirm. - TFox Jul 21, 07:00 3
        
        I'd like to verify her conclusions, though. - znufrii Jul 21, 07:03 2
        
        I know, I said this from the start. -- nm - TFox Jul 21, 07:09 1
        
        Looks like the title is "The Affordable Health Choices Act" - Roger More Jul 21, 07:10
        
        see below about the Health Exchange.. - colinski Jul 21, 06:55 4
        
        Yeah, I haven't read enough of the bill to have any idea how that mechanism is going to work. -- nm - znufrii Jul 21, 06:58 3
        
        it's like a stock market for health care! if the demand for mammograms is up, you'll be paying more.. -- nm - colinski Jul 21, 07:00 2
        
        Somehow I doubt this is the case. :) -- nm - znufrii Jul 21, 07:01 1
        
        yeah, but wouldn't it be more fun? "Colonoscopys are down today! I gotta get to the doctor!" -- nm - colinski Jul 21, 07:02
        
        hmm. i'm gonna keep reading, see if i can get more clarification... - colinski Jul 21, 06:48
        
        To your last line, that is exactly what would concern me too. I hadn't seen that provision before in the summaries I've been sent. -- nm - TFox Jul 21, 06:42
      - and if I'm reading correctly, Year 1 for that standard is 2013, and it'll be grandfathered for five years after that. -- nm - znufrii Jul 21, 06:39 5
        
        That said, this one phrase in colin's link is very troublesome, and I want to see the part she is referencing: - TFox Jul 21, 06:42 4
        
        well, reducing consumption is really the only way to cut cost.. - colinski Jul 21, 06:46 2
        
        Yep, we're mostly in agreement, and the car insurance comparison is an excellent, perfect example. - TFox Jul 21, 06:50 1
        
        i think it's the difference between making it a requirement and making it a right.. - colinski Jul 21, 06:55
        
        I wish the author had cited sections instead of pages, would make it easier to find. -- nm - znufrii Jul 21, 06:46
- �if you are happy with your plan, and if you are happy with your doctor, we don�t want you to have to change.� - colinski Jul 21, 06:33 4
  - Thomas is your friend -- (link) - znufrii Jul 21, 06:35 3
    - Not being an expert in that Thomas thing, can you find the Senate bill too? - TFox Jul 21, 06:40 1
      - Difficult unless you know the bill number or exact title. -- nm - znufrii Jul 21, 06:43
    - ah, thank you mucho. -- nm - colinski Jul 21, 06:36

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