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In response to "not that he would win Cali anyway but Newsom apparently ready to ask the legislature to remove shithead’s name from future ballots -- (link)" by hollywood big shot

This is gonna get wild. -- nm

Posted by David (aka David) Aug 19 '23, 22:46

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As much as I think he deserves it and the law supports it, I think it’s a mistake.(absent a conviction for insurrection). - pmb Aug 20, 07:22 9
- I don't even think it's supported (yet). We do live in a world of innocent till guilty. Absent him actually being convicted, I don't think it would - Will Hunting Aug 20, 08:20 7
  - Section 3 of the 14th Amendment doesn't require a criminal conviction (though he'll probably get one). you try to overthrow the duly elected gov't - hollywood big shot Aug 20, 08:24 6
    - I read it. I'll stand by my comments. A not-yet guilty man getting booted from the ballot is a huge bridge to cross. - Will Hunting Aug 20, 08:27 5
      - It is supported without a conviction (even the Federalist Society law professors have taken that position), but I agree. Practically it would be a - pmb Aug 20, 08:30 4
        
        We could start putinizing elections, he routinely gets opposition charged with corruption in some backwarer court to prevent their candidacy -- nm - zeitgeist Aug 20, 11:21
        
        But. I will add that I would assume it would take something equivalent to a trial in the state houses to conclude that he is guilty of insurrection - pmb Aug 20, 08:34 2
        
        What we need you to do is post how you are wrong and the steps you are doing to make it right -- nm - con_carne Aug 20, 09:18
        
        Do you understand that we all know you are a lawyer and we all want you to do what's right? -- nm - con_carne Aug 20, 08:57
- I have never seen you be so disingenuous. Are you running for office? - con_carne Aug 20, 08:12
Pennsylvania would be the real dagger -- nm - hollywood big shot Aug 19, 22:50 3
- Who would have final jurisdiction over California's ballot, California's Supreme Court or Roberts' Follies? -- nm - David Aug 19, 23:11 2
  - Wasn't there an attempt to prevent candidates who did not release their taxes? what happened to that? -- nm - zeitgeist Aug 19, 23:45 1
    - can't be a condition to making the ballot but this is a constitutional argument based on the Reconstruction amendments -- nm - hollywood big shot Aug 20, 00:27

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