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In response to "Israel now telling Palestinians to leave towns in southern Gaza -- (link)" by znufrii, vice president

At what point do we call this what it is? This is a genocide.

Posted by TWuG Nov 16 '23, 08:03

"The deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group."

Responses:

Nope -- nm - Pippy the Lioness Nov 16, 09:34
this is a preposterous comparison. -- nm - mud Nov 16, 08:13 16
- Can you point to what sets it apart from genocide? I understand that Israel has been provoked and faces an existential threat - TWuG Nov 16, 08:43 5
  - I continue to be stunned by how many people are buying this argument. It is not. The fighters are hiding among the people. Dug in to tunnels -- (edited) - pmb Nov 16, 09:14 4
    - of course I agree, too. I’ll ask what others think should have happened after 10/7? - i.b.! Nov 16, 11:17 1
      - well said -- nm - Pippy the Lioness Nov 16, 11:45
    - I agree. -- nm - Pippy the Lioness Nov 16, 09:43 1
      - Thanks Pippy. -- nm - pmb Nov 16, 10:00
- Where does it end, then, but with the obliteration of Palestinians as a people? -- (edited) - znufrii, vice president Nov 16, 08:18 9
  - There are no good answers here. The best hope is that Israelis oust Netanyahu and revive a real 2 state solution. But it has to include eliminating - pmb Nov 16, 09:19 5
    - ^ this. -- nm - Remlik Nov 16, 11:17
    - Thank you for your continued thoughtful responses on what is doubtless a difficult issue for you. - znufrii, vice president Nov 16, 10:40
    - I agree with everything here. I disagree with the way this war on Hamas, which is justified, has spilled over - TWuG Nov 16, 10:05 1
      - It is also a war crime to use civilians as cover. But I want to be clear here, I am not saying that Israel is free from criticism. But I'm trying to - pmb Nov 16, 11:12
    - I also suggest reading some of Thomas Friedman's writing on these issues in the NY Times over the last few - pmb Nov 16, 09:21
  - with Bibi going to jail (which is why he'll never stop) -- nm* - hollywood big shot Nov 16, 08:28 1
    - Until the next attack by Hamas, maybe, and then we’re right back here regardless of who is in charge. -- nm - znufrii, vice president Nov 16, 08:31
  - this is close to my biggest question - what does either side want as the end result of all this? -- nm - Andie Nov 16, 08:24
If Ukraine is, this is. -- nm - Spawn Nov 16, 08:04 8
- I am profoundly disappointed with this response. -- nm - mud Nov 16, 08:12 7
  - Hmm. My answer is: yes, they both are. Even though I see a lot of talk treating them differently (though I have been avoiding the news). -- nm - Spawn Nov 16, 08:14 6
    - But yes, I do know the situations are radically different. In one case their is a side that is 100% wrong, in the other, no such line. -- nm - Spawn Nov 16, 08:16 5
      - The percent wrongness is individual, not shared. Hamas is 100% wrong, Israel, like 80? -- nm - Reagen Nov 16, 09:15 4
        
        The nearly impossible challenge at the moment is separating Israel from the actions of Bibi, who is a war criminal. -- nm - David Nov 16, 09:26 3
        
        Except for the most extreme MAGA like people in Israel (who are a minority), even the most ardent Israel supporters would agree that he is at least a - pmb Nov 16, 09:38 2
        
        Speaking for myself, I have plenty of outrage all around. - David Nov 16, 10:01 1
        
        Thanks. I get it. I don't condone the treatment of the Palestinians in Gaza (or especially the West Bank), particularly over the last decade or so. - pmb Nov 16, 11:31

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At what point do we call this what it is? This is a genocide.

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