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In response to "ST Poll: American Apparel's Dov Charney is allegedly firing all the "ugly" employees after a dip in sales. Are such company actions understandable?" by Hotkiss

i am pretty sure it is illegal to be fired from a sales job for "ugliness". it must be. -- nm

Posted by TFox Jul 27 '09, 08:31

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- I'm not only the President, I'm a client. -- nm - Clint Howard Jul 27, 08:39
A lot of places require prettiness for hiring. go to a trendy restaurant in Manhattan and see who's serving you. -- nm - loosilu Jul 27, 08:32 2
- I know people do that unofficially, hire the hot chick and so on. But not "you're fired because you look like a warted anus." -- nm - TFox Jul 27, 08:35
- but that is before they are employed. -- nm - Beaker Jul 27, 08:33
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- Really? You can't fire someone for being black, but you can fire them for having asymmetrical facial features? -- nm - TFox Jul 27, 08:32 31
  - Ugly strippers unite! -- nm - con_carne Jul 27, 08:37
  - When was the last time you went to a chain restaurant or a pub and were served by an ugly waitress? - Reagen Jul 27, 08:35 3
    - Again, I have no doubt it is a widespread unofficial hiring preference. -- nm - TFox Jul 27, 08:37
    - Elaine Benis would sue their ass -- nm - Beaker Jul 27, 08:36
    - in Soho your waitresses are pretty much models. -- nm - loosilu Jul 27, 08:36
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      - also, imagine the lawsuit. "Your honour, look at me. I'm hideous." -- nm - Reagen Jul 27, 08:36 6
        
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        "I'd do her" -- nm - Juror #7 Jul 27, 08:39 3
        
        "I'd like Juror Redmond to be excused from this trial" -- nm - Roger More Jul 27, 08:40
        
        "I knew I should have vetoed that Redmond guy." -- nm - Reagen Jul 27, 08:40 1
        
        dammit! -- nm - Roger More Jul 27, 08:40
        
        "We, the jury, find the defendant a 3." -- nm - Reagen Jul 27, 08:39
  - Being ugly isn't a protected class. -- nm - pmb Jul 27, 08:33 16
    - But what if you're black and ugly? -- nm - Beryllium Jul 27, 08:40 1
      - "I find black people ugly, so it's not that we're firing you because you are black. I just find the look of you awfully unappealing and non-sexual." -- nm - TFox Jul 27, 08:41
    - That seems so ludicrous to me. -- nm - TFox Jul 27, 08:34 13
      - I suppose it can kind of be compared to modeling or acting, those both hire based on looks as well. -- nm - Ender Jul 27, 08:39 2
        
        There was a case a long time ago (IIRC) involving Braniff airlines. Their stewardess used to wear hot pants back in the 60's and early 70's and that - pmb Jul 27, 08:43
        
        high end retail sales is notorious for it as well. -- nm - loosilu Jul 27, 08:40
      - only 'cause you're ugly. -- nm - mafic Jul 27, 08:38
      - sez you, ugmo -- nm - Roger More Jul 27, 08:38
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        Yeah, but by that logic, traditional marketing logic was that black cereal boxes didn't sell, but you can't apply that to your employees. -- nm - TFox Jul 27, 08:38 1
        
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      - Because you can't dispute black but you can dispute ugly -- nm - Hotkiss Jul 27, 08:35 1
        
        If someone says "you're fired cause you look like smashed butt", it doesn't matter if you agree that you are ugly. -- nm - TFox Jul 27, 08:36
      - agreed -- nm - Beaker Jul 27, 08:35
      - Thank god you ain't in sales.... (nm) - Will Hunting Jul 27, 08:35 1
        
        anyone that fired me for my looks hates having money. fact. -- nm - TFox Jul 27, 08:38
Sure, but the company could easily come up with a reason why that employee is underperforming as an excuse -- nm - Hotkiss Jul 27, 08:32 6
- In most states they don't need any excuse. It's pretty heartless though. -- nm - pmb Jul 27, 08:34 4
  - heartless? we are talking AA here... -- nm - colinski Jul 27, 08:37
  - I thought companies need a legitimate and documented reason to fire -- nm - Hotkiss Jul 27, 08:34 2
    - In most states, employees are "at will". They can be fired for any reason or no reason. But they can get unemployment insurance if they are not - pmb Jul 27, 08:35
    - not in "at will" employment. -- nm - loosilu Jul 27, 08:35
- I doubt if that would fly -- nm - Beaker Jul 27, 08:33

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