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so when's Joe gonna cut Bibi loose, cause he risks losing Michigan over this at a minimum -- (link)

Posted by hollywood big shot (aka pickmix) Feb 23 '24, 08:07

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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1761035817630204243?s=20 (twitter.com)

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And risk losing the Jewish vote (the part that votes Democratic at least?). Election-wise, it's a lose-lose for Biden. -- nm - ty97 Feb 23, 08:32 5
- Problem is, he is on the precipice of losing the muslim vote - decline Feb 23, 08:36 2
  - Yes, it can be a Michigan problem for sure, I don't deny that. But what about the other 49 states? -- nm - ty97 Feb 23, 08:38 1
    - reality is only about 6 of those 49 states really matter and I'm not sure Biden can afford to lose even one of them -- nm - decline Feb 23, 08:53
- you can support Israel without giving Bibi free reign to flatten Gaza indiscriminately. it hasn't been tried yet by this white house -- nm - hollywood big shot Feb 23, 08:33 1
  - From an election perspective only: do you have data to back this up? -- nm - ty97 Feb 23, 08:37
I think the perspective is off that suggests that Biden can somehow force Israeli politics to bend to his will. He is clearly working behind the - pmb Feb 23, 08:26 3
- On a Pod Save American ep this week they discussed this with journalist Mehdi Hasan who says Biden absolutely has the power to bend them to his will - decline Feb 23, 08:30 1
  - Yeah I think he could stop it and I think not doing so is going to hurt him politically. -- nm - Volnelk Feb 23, 08:31
- we just vetoed a UN ceasefire resolution this week -- nm - hollywood big shot Feb 23, 08:28
and Trump would do something different? -- nm - Beaker 🍺 Feb 23, 08:14 9
- 1) Democratic voters feel that Joe needs to earn their votes rather than blindly support him (unlike the Cult of Trump) - Will Hunting Feb 23, 08:19 7
  - Yalp. I worry about young voters for shit like this. I feel a lot of them will throw it away on a 3rd party or not vote at all. - Turd Ferguson Feb 23, 08:24 4
    - Israel or abortion and fascism? I'm pretty sure I know where they come out in the end. - pmb Feb 23, 08:27 1
      - the muslim vote in michigan could tip the state and it's not just muslim leaders telling them this -- (link) - hollywood big shot Feb 23, 08:30
    - I think I hear my music! -- nm - Bernie Sanders Feb 23, 08:26 1
      - Exactly! -- nm - Turd Ferguson Feb 23, 08:27
  - Yes, but they are unlikely to choose to vote for Trump over Biden regardless. Maybe you lose some voters altogether, but given the choice it's easy. -- nm - pmb Feb 23, 08:22 1
    - Every voter that doesn't show up is one less vote for Biden in that scenario. - Will Hunting Feb 23, 08:29
- Doesn't matter as he will *say* that he would either way. -- nm - Spawn Feb 23, 08:18

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