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Israeli commentariat not happy with Bibi’s handling of US relations -- (edited)

Posted by znufrii Mar 26 '24, 15:54

When it comes right down to it, they need us more than we need them. I don’t think Netanyahu grasps that in his desperation to hold on to power.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/26/benjamin-netanyahu-handling-us-relations-un-israel-gaza-ceasefire-vote (www.theguardian.com)

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Netanyahu is starting to lose hold. One member of the war government resigned yesterday. Ganz is threatening to resign if Netanyahu continues to - pmb Mar 26, 16:03
Bibi just bidding his time, getting as much genocide in as he can. Before he either gets the green light or gets completely knocked out of the box in - Jovian Mar 26, 15:59 29
- Just posting this here for reference -- (link*) - znufrii Mar 26, 16:50
- Seriously, stop throwing that word around. I do not agree with all elements of how they are prosecuting this war, but this is not that. -- nm - pmb Mar 26, 16:08 26
  - I do believe they want to expel, force to leave as many as possible. They have been strangling them like a python for decades. -- nm - zeitgeist Mar 26, 16:33 21
    - I don't agree with how they've been treated, but you choose to ignore the context, the constant attacks, the attempts made to establish an actual 2 - pmb Mar 26, 16:50 20
      - Netanyahu has never pursued a 2 state solution. he's done everything he can to undermine it. -- nm - mafic Mar 26, 17:53 5
        
        Yes, but where we are now ignores how we got here. - pmb Mar 26, 18:41 4
        
        he's been in power for almost all of the last 15 years. I think you have to define Israel by his actions at this point. - mafic Mar 26, 19:21 3
        
        He is. That’s a huge problem. My point is that the overall context is broader than the last 15 years, but yes, I completely agree he is a huge problem - pmb Mar 26, 19:37 2
        
        he's a big part of the Hamas problem as well. he thought he could control them even as he helped bolster them. now the leopards eating people's - mafic Mar 26, 20:47 1
        
        I think there is a potential solution, but Netanyahu has to go for it to have a chance. It’s basically what Biden was working on before this - pmb Mar 26, 21:29
      - I think, broadly speaking, the condemnation comes not from Israel’s intent to defend itself, but from its apparent acceptance - znufrii Mar 26, 17:49 1
        
        I don’t disagree with that and it is totally reasonable to disagree with their tactics. It’s also incredibly difficult to find easy alternatives that - pmb Mar 26, 18:55
      - Israel is mostly condemned not for fighting back, but for the way they do. (NM) - Marlowe Mar 26, 17:01 11
        
        That's an easy statement if you're not there. I suggest you go visit. - pmb Mar 26, 17:06 10
        
        Uhh.. You said it yourself, you don't agree with all their choices. That's exactly what I'm saying. (NM) - Marlowe Mar 26, 17:15 9
        
        The difference is how we get there and understand the issues. You come from a place that started from equating it to a genocide and pinning blame on - pmb Mar 26, 17:48 8
        
        I did? OK, then. - Marlowe Mar 26, 18:34 7
        
        “Not for lack of wanting by some in his government”. - pmb Mar 26, 19:01 6
        
        Yes. Let's unpack that. - Marlowe Mar 26, 19:18 5
        
        “It’s not , but” would have been a good start. To assume it’s implied is much more difficult in these times when it way too often is very much not - pmb Mar 26, 19:24 4
        
        Point taken. - Marlowe Mar 26, 19:55 3
        
        I don’t really understand your second paragraph. - pmb Mar 26, 20:20 2
        
        Again, point taken. - Marlowe Mar 26, 20:29 1
        
        That was not at all my intention. I don’t believe anyone here is. - pmb Mar 26, 20:37
  - Not for lack of wanting from some in his government. (NM) - Marlowe Mar 26, 16:23 3
    - Debatable. -- nm - pmb Mar 26, 16:44 2
      - Oh, I'm sure the ultra-nationalists that actually gave Bibi the mandate are all hunky-dory. (NM) - Marlowe Mar 26, 16:46 1
        
        Do they want the land and want to be left alone to do whatever they want? Sure. Do they want to wipe out a race? I'm not going to argue that there - pmb Mar 26, 16:52
- :-( - mud Mar 26, 16:02

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