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In response to "Israeli commentariat not happy with Bibi’s handling of US relations -- (edited)" by znufrii

Bibi just bidding his time, getting as much genocide in as he can. Before he either gets the green light or gets completely knocked out of the box in

Posted by Jovian (aka Jovian) Mar 26 '24, 15:59

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Just posting this here for reference -- (link*) - znufrii Mar 26, 16:50
Seriously, stop throwing that word around. I do not agree with all elements of how they are prosecuting this war, but this is not that. -- nm - pmb Mar 26, 16:08 26
- I do believe they want to expel, force to leave as many as possible. They have been strangling them like a python for decades. -- nm - zeitgeist Mar 26, 16:33 21
  - I don't agree with how they've been treated, but you choose to ignore the context, the constant attacks, the attempts made to establish an actual 2 - pmb Mar 26, 16:50 20
    - Netanyahu has never pursued a 2 state solution. he's done everything he can to undermine it. -- nm - mafic Mar 26, 17:53 5
      - Yes, but where we are now ignores how we got here. - pmb Mar 26, 18:41 4
        
        he's been in power for almost all of the last 15 years. I think you have to define Israel by his actions at this point. - mafic Mar 26, 19:21 3
        
        He is. That’s a huge problem. My point is that the overall context is broader than the last 15 years, but yes, I completely agree he is a huge problem - pmb Mar 26, 19:37 2
        
        he's a big part of the Hamas problem as well. he thought he could control them even as he helped bolster them. now the leopards eating people's - mafic Mar 26, 20:47 1
        
        I think there is a potential solution, but Netanyahu has to go for it to have a chance. It’s basically what Biden was working on before this - pmb Mar 26, 21:29
    - I think, broadly speaking, the condemnation comes not from Israel’s intent to defend itself, but from its apparent acceptance - znufrii Mar 26, 17:49 1
      - I don’t disagree with that and it is totally reasonable to disagree with their tactics. It’s also incredibly difficult to find easy alternatives that - pmb Mar 26, 18:55
    - Israel is mostly condemned not for fighting back, but for the way they do. (NM) - Marlowe Mar 26, 17:01 11
      - That's an easy statement if you're not there. I suggest you go visit. - pmb Mar 26, 17:06 10
        
        Uhh.. You said it yourself, you don't agree with all their choices. That's exactly what I'm saying. (NM) - Marlowe Mar 26, 17:15 9
        
        The difference is how we get there and understand the issues. You come from a place that started from equating it to a genocide and pinning blame on - pmb Mar 26, 17:48 8
        
        I did? OK, then. - Marlowe Mar 26, 18:34 7
        
        “Not for lack of wanting by some in his government”. - pmb Mar 26, 19:01 6
        
        Yes. Let's unpack that. - Marlowe Mar 26, 19:18 5
        
        “It’s not , but” would have been a good start. To assume it’s implied is much more difficult in these times when it way too often is very much not - pmb Mar 26, 19:24 4
        
        Point taken. - Marlowe Mar 26, 19:55 3
        
        I don’t really understand your second paragraph. - pmb Mar 26, 20:20 2
        
        Again, point taken. - Marlowe Mar 26, 20:29 1
        
        That was not at all my intention. I don’t believe anyone here is. - pmb Mar 26, 20:37
- Not for lack of wanting from some in his government. (NM) - Marlowe Mar 26, 16:23 3
  - Debatable. -- nm - pmb Mar 26, 16:44 2
    - Oh, I'm sure the ultra-nationalists that actually gave Bibi the mandate are all hunky-dory. (NM) - Marlowe Mar 26, 16:46 1
      - Do they want the land and want to be left alone to do whatever they want? Sure. Do they want to wipe out a race? I'm not going to argue that there - pmb Mar 26, 16:52
:-( - mud Mar 26, 16:02

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