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"Among just swing voters, 60% approve of the jury’s decision, while only 24% disapprove" in case any Dems wanna call for the defendant to drop out -- (link)

Posted by hollywood big shot (aka pickmix) Jun 4 '24, 07:55

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https://politicalwire.com/2024/06/04/swing-voters-overwhelmingly-approve-of-trump-guilty-verdict/ (politicalwire.com)

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NYT has a focus group with undecided swing voters who don't like either candidate and several said voting for a felon was a line they couldn't cross. - pmb Jun 4, 08:06 7
- "But her emails" -- (link) - hollywood big shot Jun 4, 08:18 5
  - And remember, the whole tone if the story was that it was going to cast a shadow on her presidency to be under investigation the whole time. -- nm - Reagen Jun 4, 08:24 1
    - *That* is the line Dems need to use. -- nm - LFG Jun 4, 08:45
  - "Lock her up!" (which 45 *never* said) -- nm - LFG Jun 4, 08:22 2
    - this new lie of his really has me scratching my head. -- nm - Jovian Jun 4, 08:23 1
      - Classic Trump. He don't want it being said about him. -- nm - LFG Jun 4, 08:44
- There are some that would specifically vote *against* a felon, I would think. -- nm - LFG Jun 4, 08:15
Why would Dems want him to drop out? Having him as the opponent gives them their best chance of winning. -- nm - Dano Jun 4, 08:02 32
- This entire sub-discussion underscores the madness of this whole. It's so incomprehensible that nobody can even agree on how to approach it. -- nm - David Jun 4, 08:52 5
  - there appears to be consensus below -- nm - mud Jun 4, 09:12
  - It's because Biden is so weak. Buttigieg would eviscerate Trump in the media over this issue, but Biden is missing his fastball, curve, and slider - rollo Jun 4, 08:56 3
    - I see it as more, "How do you even argue against something this insane?" - David Jun 4, 09:06 2
      - it's sadly like flat earthers. you can't argue. just nod politely and run here to tell you guys. but flat earthers aren't undermining democracy. - 🏳️‍🌈 mandy chem 🏳️‍🌈 Jun 4, 09:14 1
        
        These are fair points both of you -- nm - rollo Jun 4, 09:55
- not that he ever would but shift the narrative from "34 felony convictions make him stronger with voters" to "no convicted felon should be a nominee" -- nm - hollywood big shot Jun 4, 08:06 25
  - Thus “proving” Trump’s assertion that this is all just a political persecution meant to keep him off the ballot. -- (edited) - znufrii Jun 4, 08:09 18
    - Ain't gonna convince anyone but the convinced. - Reagen Jun 4, 08:21 17
      - I just don’t know why you’d want to play into your opponent’s messaging by making it look like you’re doing exactly what he’s accusing you of. -- nm - znufrii Jun 4, 08:26 16
        
        Cause who gives a fuck what his base thinks? Meanwhile, make him play defense, which is a losing strategy. -- nm - Reagen Jun 4, 08:29 15
        
        up arrow up arrow up arrow. campaign ads with trump saying "hillary shouldn't be allowed to run as an accused felon." - 🏳️‍🌈 mandy chem 🏳️‍🌈 Jun 4, 09:17 2
        
        Yup - it used to be "there's always a Tweet", not it's like "There's always a clip". Use them shits!!! nm -- nm - Turd Ferguson Jun 4, 09:18 1
        
        that's what I'm saying! I don't acre how much you have to pay CNN to make them shits into ads. USE THEM SHITS. -- nm - 🏳️‍🌈 mandy chem 🏳️‍🌈 Jun 4, 09:20
        
        It’s not about what his base thinks, it’s about Trump’s ability to control the media narrative. - znufrii Jun 4, 08:33 11
        
        Nah, dude's a bluffer. He only controls it because people don't go on the offense about it. - Reagen Jun 4, 08:35 2
        
        up arrow!! again! every time you say his name "twice impeached convicted felon donald trump." my friend's ex wife would invent narratives - 🏳️‍🌈 mandy chem 🏳️‍🌈 Jun 4, 09:19
        
        this -- nm - Beaker 🍺 Jun 4, 08:56
        
        which they've been doing since the verdicts came down: "Voters Don't Care because it's just baked in to his numbers" and the media spit that back to - hollywood big shot Jun 4, 08:34 7
        
        “Democrats lend credence to Trump’s claim of political persecution by demanding he step down.” - znufrii Jun 4, 08:47 6
        
        "Democrats lend credence that Trump conviction isn't important by not mentioning it" - Reagen Jun 4, 08:53 5
        
        Also I heard some wonk say Biden should just stick to the economy; I see no reason why he shouldn't do both here. - Max Jun 4, 09:36
        
        I'm running out of up arrows. -- nm - 🏳️‍🌈 mandy chem 🏳️‍🌈 Jun 4, 09:21
        
        Who’s arguing in favor of “not mentioning it”? - znufrii Jun 4, 09:20
        
        This strategy has been definitively proven as effective over the last 10 years ... by Trump! Whatever else he is, he is relentlessly "on message" and - rollo Jun 4, 09:00 1
        
        Being relentlessly on message only goes so far if the media won’t buy into it. -- nm* - znufrii Jun 4, 09:18
  - True. It’s not like he would withdraw anyway. Pressuring him to do so makes it even less likely. -- nm - Dano Jun 4, 08:08 4
    - It's like a more accurate version of LBJ calling his opponent a pig fucker. "I just want to hear him deny it" -- nm* - Reagen Jun 4, 08:22 3
      - "Every time I turn around they hand me a verdict for something. Guilty guilty guilty!" -- nm - Stormy Janiels Jun 4, 08:38
      - [snork] -- nm - mud Jun 4, 08:31
      - yes! -- nm - hollywood big shot Jun 4, 08:23
  - Biden has been slamming him, about the verdict, lately —possible the WH asked Dems to hold back until Biden is done with the Orange piñata -- nm - Trending Jun 4, 08:08

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