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Somewhat related -- Do you think Pete Rose should be allowed back in baseball and/or allowed in the Hall of Fame?

Posted by Fuzzy (aka mrfuzzy) Aug 4 '09, 18:24

I do not. But I also think the same should apply to other forms of cheating or lack of integrity that hurts the business, for any sport. For example (and to counter some of the NFL comparisons below) I think some people in the Patriots should have been banned from the NFL for the video taping incidents. On this topic and this one alone I think baseball did it right -- it doesn't matter that Rose was a star and a lock for the HoF. In impacted the integrity of the business and they took appropriate action.

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Really what we need to do is create a Hall of Shame. Players who were good enough to get in the Hall of Fame, but f*cked it up one way or another.. -- nm - znufrii Aug 4, 18:53 2
- I'm just going to make a smaller version in my house someday. The people *I* think Jacen needs to know about and appreciate. -- nm - TFox Aug 4, 18:54 1
  - *nods* -- nm - znufrii Aug 4, 18:56
I do. -- nm - Redmond Aug 4, 18:27
I think he should be eligible for voting, but he wouldn't get mine. -- nm - David Aug 4, 18:25
Nope, it's the #1 rule of the game. - Will Hunting Aug 4, 18:24 19
- Unless there is any evidence that what he did affected the game on the field, you're still wrong. -- nm - znufrii Aug 4, 18:33 17
  - It's in every clubhouse. Don't gamble. - Will Hunting Aug 4, 18:40 15
    - I'm not saying it's not important, it's just not Rule #1 - znufrii Aug 4, 18:43 13
      - "Don't gamble on baseball" shouldn't just be Rule #1, it should be a given. - TWuG Aug 4, 18:48 12
        
        Does Barry Bonds own the all time home run record without roids? - Redmond Aug 4, 18:50 11
        
        Of course it's a scar. But it's also a question that can't be answered. - TWuG Aug 4, 18:55 10
        
        So the appearance of cheating is worse than actual cheating. -- nm - TFox Aug 4, 18:57 9
        
        There are degrees of cheating. Gambling is worse than steroids or scuffing a ball or tarring a bat. -- nm - TWuG Aug 4, 19:00 8
        
        Gambling is not cheating, so it obviously gets a very low degree. - TFox Aug 4, 19:01 7
        
        And show me a test to see if a player or coach is gambling. You can't. If a player gambles and is caught - TWuG Aug 4, 19:07 6
        
        Unless the player is taking a substance like HGH which cannot be detected with current drug tests -- nm - Redmond Aug 4, 19:10
        
        So, in your world, the uncertainty of knowing whether or not the integrity of the game has been compromised is worse than knowing it has been? -- nm - znufrii Aug 4, 19:10 4
        
        Every game a gambler plays in is tainted, whether cheating takes place or not. - TWuG Aug 4, 19:16 3
        
        so in other words, the answer to my question is yes. - znufrii Aug 4, 19:19
        
        ooh, experiment: i bet you $5 you'll flip heads. now flip a coin. is it heads? - TFox Aug 4, 19:17 1
        
        You can never trust a gambler to play his best game. If playing poorly gets him more than playing well, he'll play poorly. - TWuG Aug 4, 20:00
    - ...but that makes no sense. - TFox Aug 4, 18:41
  - (on this particular point, I don't necessarily disagree with the overall thrust of your arguments) -- nm - znufrii Aug 4, 18:33
- which is sad. since the #1, 2, and 3 rules of the game should be Dont cheat. -- nm - tRuMaN Aug 4, 18:30

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