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This is from the health care bill. What do you think it means? - nubby, Astronauts champion Aug 7, 16:14 19
- This is pretty much the definition of a PPO-type of insurance plan. -- nm - Fuzzy Aug 7, 16:25
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  - And says that the plan sets the level of pay you get from it. -- nm - the liioulu with umbrella Aug 7, 16:24 2
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      - Similar to most managed healthcare plans, I believe. -- nm - Fuzzy Aug 7, 16:26
- I think it is certainly a problem, and not just with this particular bill, that they are written is such a way as to be almost incomprehensible. - Stephen Aug 7, 16:21 7
  - From an email from a cousin, that has thirty+ of these... - nubby, Astronauts champion Aug 7, 16:22 4
    - That's what insurance companies do to the doctors now. The docs have the option to participate or not. -- nm - Fuzzy Aug 7, 16:29
    - Yeah, "the payment rate established under section 223" jumped out at me. - Dr.Vermin Aug 7, 16:24 1
      - Considering what they charge.... - the liioulu with umbrella Aug 7, 16:26
    - Here's the full email - nubby, Astronauts champion Aug 7, 16:23
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    - Exactly! -- nm - Stephen Aug 7, 16:22
- it's establishing two classes of physician payments for those who participate in the public option program -- nm - Farmer Ted Aug 7, 16:18
- If you don't agree with it you go before a death panel. -- nm - CovingtonCat Aug 7, 16:17
- "the"? (there are at least 5) - it's just legalese definitions. -- nm - Don Homer Aug 7, 16:16 2
  - the House bill that the Democrats are pushing. -- nm - nubby, Astronauts champion Aug 7, 16:18 1
    - eh. From what I have read, it doesn't include a true "public option", as it wouldn't be open to all. - Don Homer Aug 7, 16:22
- I think it says something about horse racing. -- nm - Beryllium Aug 7, 16:15
Hmm, potentially interesting site: WhoCoveredThat? -- (link) - Beryllium Aug 7, 16:14
ST Poll -- Regardless of Obama's HC Reform plan, if you had the chance to change one thing about HC in the US, what would it be? - Fuzzy Aug 7, 16:13 15
- Confusing ad costs with research. - the liioulu with umbrella Aug 7, 16:23
- Allwoing insurers to invest heavily in the stock market, especially anything that's volatile. - the liioulu with umbrella Aug 7, 16:17
- replace the insurance companies with a government-run single-payer system. -- nm - Don Homer Aug 7, 16:17
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  - I mostly agree. There are way too many procedures done (and many people have come to expect that more is better), though that's also a function of th - Don Homer Aug 7, 16:19 3
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      - You don't pay attention then. You're often wrong, but we sure have agreed before. ;) -- nm - Don Homer Aug 7, 16:23
    - Agreed on all counts. -- nm - Fuzzy Aug 7, 16:21
- putting the insurance companies out of business -- nm - Farmer Ted Aug 7, 16:16
- disallow pre-existing considitions to be used to determine insurance coverage. -- nm - tRuMaN Aug 7, 16:15
- Tort reform. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Aug 7, 16:15
- More death panels. - CovingtonCat Aug 7, 16:15 1
  - Yeah, if she really said that in the way it was presented (I'm skeptical of anything said by either side right now) I'm truly baffled. - Fuzzy Aug 7, 16:18
- single-payer -- nm - con_carne Aug 7, 16:14 1
  - But in this go-round, I'll settle for there being a public option. -- nm - con_carne Aug 7, 16:19
Sarah Palin: Obama's "death panel" could kill my down syndrome baby. -- (link) - Don Homer Aug 7, 16:06 10
- "3,177 people like this." -- nm - con_carne Aug 7, 16:18
- in all the weeks i have heard/read about the health care bills, this was never mentioned until the last few days - tRuMaN Aug 7, 16:17 4
  - Made up? Do you really believe she'd just make something like this up!?? - BB Aug 7, 16:22 1
    - i never said she did. i was saying someone might have made this claim up. -- nm - tRuMaN Aug 7, 16:24
  - Could very well be. Then again, the bill is like 1000 pages long? -- nm - Dr.Vermin Aug 7, 16:21 1
    - actually, I think npr this morning had audio from a house representative down south who said that the death groups are - tRuMaN Aug 7, 16:23
- I find it hard to blame her for the hyperbole and lies. People elected her and she is more popular now than ever. I blame the people who believe her - jnine Aug 7, 16:15
- Way to watch her Facebook page! But has she twittered about it? LINK? - Dr.Vermin Aug 7, 16:09
- "death panel"?! What The F***? -- nm - the liioulu with umbrella Aug 7, 16:08
- For The Greater Good. -- nm - Beryllium Aug 7, 16:07
Dear Michael Crabtree, you are an idiot...and the 9er's should start deducting 100k off their offer for every say you miss camp. -- nm - Evil Beaker Aug 7, 16:05 3
- My excitement at having drafted him has quickly dissipated - Stephen Aug 7, 16:08
- About as greedy as you can get. -- nm - Don Homer Aug 7, 16:06 1
  - decent article here on it (compares him to Paula Abdul :) ) -- (link) - Evil Beaker Aug 7, 16:07
smoltz was designated for assignment? wasnt he supposed to start this weekend? -- nm - tRuMaN Aug 7, 16:04 1
- He started last night. His ERA is now north of 8 for the season. -- nm - Will Hunting Aug 7, 16:05
Jeff Jarett no-showed the NWA LegendFest this weekened...... - Remlik Aug 7, 16:01 4
- To be fair, he saw the word "legend" and realized he had no place there. -- nm - the wrong element, bad guy Aug 7, 16:06
- Dixie Carter even hosed this up. - Will Hunting Aug 7, 16:02 2
  - they don't have someone to come and book. And she's not interested in Heyman (big mistake I think). -- nm - Remlik Aug 7, 16:05 1
    - That's astonishing to me that she'd a) go this long with that booking crew in the first place and b) still not have anyone to do the job - Will Hunting Aug 7, 16:07
once there was this ster who -- nm - tRuMaN Aug 7, 16:00 1
- filled up her panties with poo. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Aug 7, 16:04
study shows that Facebook makes college students in relationships even crazier with jealousy -- (link) - Farmer Ted Aug 7, 15:58 4
- Could it possibly be... evil? -- nm - Spawn Aug 7, 16:23
- Or, Facebook has become a new *vehicle* for crazy people to get crazy over... - Dr.Vermin Aug 7, 16:04 2
  - Yes, FB ain't for everybody. -- nm - con_carne Aug 7, 16:23
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I've done a fair amount of sailing around Chesapeake Bay when I lived in VA. - Dr.Vermin Aug 7, 15:51 5
- Landlubber. -- nm - con_carne Aug 7, 15:53
- yeah, anchoring in a bay is where I see the allure. Crabbing, fishing, BBQing, and (oddly) programming. -- nm - Beryllium Aug 7, 15:52 3
  - Yup. The guy who owned the boat was a programmer. That's where he liked to work, too. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Aug 7, 15:53 2
    - if I so much as looked at a laptop while on a boat, I would puke my guts up in five minutes. -- nm - loosilu Aug 7, 16:04
    - People look at me funny when I suggest it. I think they assume I want to do blue-water sailing all the time. -- nm - Beryllium Aug 7, 15:58
Clever rooks repeat ancient fable -- (link) - Danedukenuuk Aug 7, 15:46
My new favorite beer of the moment: Krusovice -- nm - Dano Aug 7, 15:46
UFC 101: Who wins, who do you want to win? - the wrong element, bad guy Aug 7, 15:44 7
- Florian/Florian, Silva/Griffin, Almeida/Almeida, Sodallah/Sodallah, Pellegrino/Neer -- nm - ceregon Aug 7, 16:07
- Florian, Silva -- nm - Evil Beaker Aug 7, 15:53
- Penn/Penn Silva/Griffin -- nm - Stewie Aug 7, 15:50 3
  - Someone actually likes BJ Penn? - the wrong element, bad guy Aug 7, 15:58 2
    - There's nothing to hate about Florian. - Dignan Aug 7, 16:01 1
      - Plus, he seems to be the only fighter who makes his sceduled interviews. - the wrong element, bad guy Aug 7, 16:05
- Florian/Florian, Silva/Griffin, Sodallah/Sodallah, Almeida/Almeida, Neer/Pellegrino. nm - Dignan Aug 7, 15:48
Gallup has some interesting maps showing religious identity by state. - CovingtonCat Aug 7, 15:36
FNL's Aimee Teegarden to guest on Legend of the Seeker... -- (link) - Remlik Aug 7, 15:34
"Are you terrified of them" ... maybe not, but they seem to be terrifyingly stupid. ;-) -- nm - Beryllium Aug 7, 15:20 4
- A few of them, no doubt. - Dr.Vermin Aug 7, 15:32 2
  - the more extreeme a movement gets the lower it's average IQ gets -- nm - Danedukenuuk Aug 7, 15:34
  - for example, with PETA and Greenpeace, they are in charge. - Beryllium Aug 7, 15:33
- Read my post below (about dolphins). That'll make you terrified. -- nm - Mop (still 235lbs... on a good day) Aug 7, 15:24
~So I joined up with my outlaw and headed for California~ - CovingtonCat Aug 7, 15:20
There's comedy in the fact that analysts are estimating how much money Apple is going to make on a tablet that has not even been announced. -- (link) - Mop (face it, the scale says 240 lbs) Aug 7, 15:18 4
- The problem being that there is no demand for the device described in that article as it's nothing more than an over sized iPod -- nm - Scorpion Aug 7, 15:22
- IMO, if they do announce a tablet, I don't think it would sell very well. - Beryllium Aug 7, 15:19 2
  - The Apple TV of 2009? -- nm - Mop (face it, the scale says 240 lbs) Aug 7, 15:21 1
    - *ding* -- nm - Beryllium Aug 7, 15:26
LIR: Guy. I used the old VW as a work car.(pool car) stored all my stuff. I loved that car, it was so unique and cool. -- nm - CQ Aug 7, 15:18
LYC: so my daughters have a bunch of various "men" toys; superheros, Toy Story characters etc...I've created a wrestling Federation with them. -- nm - Evil Beaker Aug 7, 15:18 6
- The Lightyears (we have 3) just turned heel on the Woody twins (we have 2). The Robot faction saved them (Zurg, Ultron and some misc guys) -- nm - Evil Beaker Aug 7, 15:19 5
  - this also led to the Hero Alliance turning omn Spiderman...quite an eventful PPV -- nm - Evil Beaker Aug 7, 15:24
  - I remember doing this as a kid with Lego men. It was awesome. I had battle royals, lumberjack matches, and I constructed a steel cage for them all! -- nm - CQ Aug 7, 15:23 3
    - heh I used GI Joe's and Star Wars figures :) The kids are always after me to play with them, this way I have fun too :) :) -- nm - Evil Beaker Aug 7, 15:23 2
      - Lego Batman and Lego Star Wars is where it's at. Sure, I buy those toys for the kids. -- nm - Mop (still 235lbs... on a good day) Aug 7, 15:30
      - I need to start making kids for this reason, heh -- nm - CQ Aug 7, 15:24
That sailboat I linked ... heh, apparently the hull can plane on the water, allowing it to get up to 14+ knots ... - Beryllium Aug 7, 15:18
Elvis is you're around....Twilight COmic Con news... - Remlik Aug 7, 15:17 3
- Heh. The ad at the left shows why Pete is going. - Spawn Aug 7, 16:25
- Oh mama, I do belieeeeve that John Pattinson is dreameh! -- nm - Elvis SI Aug 7, 15:18 1
  - *Why I do belieave I have the vapahs young sir" -- nm - Trishy Aug 7, 15:22
My God. At this rate, it won't be long until the dolphins leave this planet and leave us to our own devices. -- (link) - Mop (face it, the scale says 240 lbs) Aug 7, 15:14 1
- "...there is not a day or a week that goes by that I don't hear talk about revolution in our country." -- nm - Mop (face it, the scale says 240 lbs) Aug 7, 15:20
/terrorizes B2 -- nm - Dr.Vermin Aug 7, 15:13 45
- / shoots you in the back of the head. -- nm - BB Aug 7, 15:16
- I'm sure the death threats were sent out of love and understanding. -- nm - Reagen Aug 7, 15:15 42
  - Do you agree with liouululu on this point? -- nm - Dr.Vermin Aug 7, 15:16 41
    - He agrees with nothing I say. It's a knee jerk reaction for him. -- nm - the liioulu with umbrella Aug 7, 15:24 2
      - without it becoming a "thing", it's really not. -- nm - Reagen Aug 7, 15:25 1
        
        *snork* -- nm - the liioulu with umbrella Aug 7, 15:26
    - well there's a loaded question. - Reagen Aug 7, 15:19 37
      - Then I will concede the point. The jackholes sending death threats are certainly attempting to terrorize. - Dr.Vermin Aug 7, 15:27
      - And I don't think that for the purposes of this entire argument that those select few people represent the 'terrorists' this guy is painting with the - Will Hunting Aug 7, 15:21 32
        
        "...political terrorists..." - the liioulu with umbrella Aug 7, 15:39
        
        well it's a good thing I didn't argue that, then. - Reagen Aug 7, 15:22 30
        
        But we *were* using different definitions of 'them'. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Aug 7, 15:44 7
        
        Is it just me, or did this conversation get actually physically painfully boring? :) -- nm - Beryllium Aug 7, 15:46 6
        
        That should be "physically *and* painfully", or else throw a comma in there. - Dr.Vermin Aug 7, 15:48 4
        
        also - I meant physically as opposed to psychologically -- nm - Beryllium Aug 7, 15:50
        
        Now it's even more physically *and* painfully boring! - Roger More Aug 7, 15:50
        
        Sailing, damnit! :) -- nm - Beryllium Aug 7, 15:49 1
        
        (I oughta start a SailTalk forum) -- nm - Beryllium Aug 7, 15:49
        
        Typical ST "discussion". -- nm - the liioulu with umbrella Aug 7, 15:48
        
        I'd be surprised if they were terrified anyhow; these guys probably get crackpot threats often. - Will Hunting Aug 7, 15:25 21
        
        one guy said he's only meeting with people one-on-one from now on because of it. - Reagen Aug 7, 15:28 20
        
        Fair nuff....but I still stand by the fact the author's a moron who wants to throw up mostly inaccurate incindiery terms. -- nm - Will Hunting Aug 7, 15:30 19
        
        Pearlstein is as smart and fair as they come. it's just a sign of how far the temper tantrum party has gone that even he can't ignore it anymore -- nm - Farmer Ted Aug 7, 15:31 18
        
        Right. Absolutely poisonous political discourse in the past 12 months. -- nm - Don Homer Aug 7, 16:03 2
        
        Again, you limit this to the last year. - Will Hunting Aug 7, 16:06 1
        
        yeah, that was on a similar level. -- nm - Don Homer Aug 7, 16:08
        
        I stand by my comment his use of that word is a joke. - Will Hunting Aug 7, 15:34 13
        
        Jeez, and he even went on to calmly and rationally dsicuss the issue. - the liioulu with umbrella Aug 7, 15:41 12
        
        Yes, I read exactly what he wrote. I agree with some of the sentiments. - Will Hunting Aug 7, 15:42 11
        
        Well it's some warped, broken version of politics. - Billy Mays Aug 7, 15:51 9
        
        I mean . . . IT'S SOME WARPED, BROKEN VERSION OF POLITICS!! - Billy Mays Aug 7, 15:54
        
        Well, I really don't see us going back 225 years to get it right so....guess Obama and them just need to win with the ground rules in place. - Will Hunting Aug 7, 15:53 6
        
        "1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes." - the liioulu with umbrella Aug 7, 16:01
        
        So you basically endorse the approach then. - Billy Mays Aug 7, 15:59 4
        
        Honestly, I thought it was bullshit when the GOP cried "Traitors" in 2002 - 2005 and it's only fair, I'd be opposed here. - Will Hunting Aug 7, 16:01 3
        
        There's not a clean fight to win. The other side is playing dirty. It's hard to be better when you have to waste time fighting lies. - pmb Aug 7, 16:07
        
        And sometimes you have to take the expedient way and fight it anyway you can. - the liioulu with umbrella Aug 7, 16:04 1
        
        Haha. When they do it, it's evil. When you do it, it's expedient. - Dr.Vermin Aug 7, 16:06
        
        Listen to your friend Billy Mays. He's a smart dude. -- nm - Haaaansel. SI. Aug 7, 15:51
        
        I don't get it you agree with a moron? -- nm - the liioulu with umbrella Aug 7, 15:48
        
        ...and has to throw one himself? - Dr.Vermin Aug 7, 15:34
      - When did you stop beating your wife? -- nm - BB Aug 7, 15:19 2
        
        do you, or do you not agree with Hitler that the sun rises in the east? -- nm - Reagen Aug 7, 15:20 1
        
        "I choose to agree with Flea and the RHCP, that it settles in a final location. Californication." -- nm - Beryllium Aug 7, 15:33
- The only fear I have is that those people breed. - Will Hunting Aug 7, 15:14
The Mummy was awesome. Probably one of my most watched movies. -- nm - Evil Beaker Aug 7, 15:13 2
- I even really enjoy the 2nd one. -- nm - Remlik Aug 7, 15:17 1
  - ditto. -- nm - Evil Beaker Aug 7, 15:19

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