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musubi, from the bb's, I get, and respect, where you're coming from...

Posted by Stephen (aka SCeire) Nov 7 '08, 15:43

I don't mean to imply, though I guess I did, that everyone that voted for Obama drank the kool-aid, though let's be honest I wasn't the first one to use it on these boards (or elsewhere) and it wasn't originally used in reference to those that voted for Obama :) .

I will admit that i'm cynical by nature. So after 8 years of being called everything from an idiot to a fascist, to...well...you've been around the boards and have seen what's been said about the Right for the last 8 years, it's kind of hard for me to take seriously those that suddenly want to hold my hand and sing kumbaya because their guy won (and please don't think this is directed at you at all, we have, to the best of my recollection, been civil towards one another even when we completely disagree on an issue.) It's going to take time. And yes, there is a lot of trust (from both sides) to be rebuilt.

FWIW, while I disagree with Obama on many issues, I don't *hate* or even *dislike* him. I don't think he wants to ruin the country, or that he's really a muslim terrorist. It's the "Obama is going to be the greatest President ever" before he's even been sworn in that just has my top about to blow off. I mean really, greater than Washington, Lincoln, Reagan, etc. before serving a day in office? And these are the type of people that I should direct my kool-aid label at, not everyone who simply voted for him. My wife and I were talking about this last night. I'm honestly more mad at these kind of things than I am at the fact that he won.

After the talk with my wife last night i'd actually decided not to discuss politics on ST for a while (Obviously, I forgot what I had decided not to do.) because I truly don't want to be a killjoy, or be dismissive of anyone's hope, but at the same time i'm having a hard time dealing with the hype if you will. I'm looking at him as I would any other politician, with a sense of wariness. I don't want to knock anyone who gets a sense of hope from Obama, he may truly be unlike other politicians, I have a hard time believing that, and it's going to have to be proven to me that he is (it hasn't been yet) before I believe it.

This is getting all rambly cause the kid is crawling all over the place and i'm having to chase him down, and i'm not even sure what i'm trying to say anymore but I guess the bottom line of it is this; while i'm not sold on it yet i'm open to being sold on it. Oh, and i'm putting myself on a one month timeout from political talk here. I swear i'll bite my fingers clean off if I need to!

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I'm going to ignore the rest of the thread and say thanks for what I think is being pretty open-minded. All I ask of the right is just wait and see - mara Nov 7, 16:14
Thank you for this. (nm) - musubi Nov 7, 16:01
This is well said. I have similar feelings. - Dr.Vermin Nov 7, 15:54 40
- see... this is the key difference. you still consider the rest of us as "the lefties". - Guy Nov 7, 16:00 22
  - You not paying attention again, asshat? - musubi Nov 7, 16:05 8
    - where am i saying that? where?!? -- nm - Guy Nov 7, 16:06 7
      - It's not water under the bridge if you keep bringing it up. - musubi Nov 7, 16:08 6
        
        i may be crass in my phrasing, but the point is, with some 20% approval, i thought we could all agree by now that it was a bad decision. - Guy Nov 7, 16:11 5
        
        What's the approval rating of Congress? - Stephen Nov 7, 16:24 1
        
        on this, we can agree. ive been sorely disappointed with Congress - before AND after the Dems took control in 06 -- nm - Guy Nov 7, 16:25
        
        It's your ability to include "all agree" in the same sentence you recognize the "20%" who don't, that makes you an asshat. - Dr.Vermin Nov 7, 16:17 2
        
        well, quite frankly, if that 20% is still that oblivious, then i dont think i can ever agree with them. - Guy Nov 7, 16:19 1
        
        Obama seems to respect people. At least there's that. -- nm - Loyola Nov 7, 16:26
  - So in offering the olive branch you're still trying to jab us in the eye with it? - Stephen Nov 7, 16:03 12
    - the first step to change is admitting you have a problem. :) - Guy Nov 7, 16:05 6
      - "admit you fucked us over and we can be friends" - Stephen Nov 7, 16:12 5
        
        if Kerry or Gore had won and did an equally poor job and McCain won now, id have no problem admitting i was wrong. - Guy Nov 7, 16:16 4
        
        If they admit what you want, does it make the last 8 years disappear? - musubi Nov 7, 16:21 3
        
        as ive said before, id love to just be open and a litle optimistic as we wait for him to take office - Guy Nov 7, 16:23 2
        
        So be optimistic. Noone's stopping you but yourself. - musubi Nov 7, 16:28
        
        no guy, you haven't wanted us to all agree that the course of the last 8 years was somewhat in err - Stephen Nov 7, 16:26
    - Dude, you're getting jabbed in the eye by Guy. I'm telling all the army guys about this. - Will Hunting Nov 7, 16:04 4
      - someone's about to get a buttstroke to the head. - Stephen Nov 7, 16:10 2
        
        I thought that fell under Don't Ask, Don't Tell. - Will Hunting Nov 7, 16:11 1
        
        Damn you Will Hunting!!! (nm) - Stephen Nov 7, 16:14
      - Actually Guy's saying that he's jabbing himself in the eye. -- nm - the liioulu with more clothes Nov 7, 16:05
- Just one thing about this post: People on the left of you are not *suddenly* proud of America. I love my country as much as anyone on the right. - musubi Nov 7, 15:59 14
  - i felt far more proud to be a part of this country when Obama won. -- nm - kare Nov 7, 16:27
  - I don't think this is really the case but when people say they are proud to be an American cause their guy won the question is always going to be - Stephen Nov 7, 16:16 3
    - i was proud because we voted an African American purported to be a muslim into office. - kare Nov 7, 16:29 2
      - But if we hadn't we wouldn't be? - Stephen Nov 7, 16:30 1
        
        mmm, no, i never said that. - kare Nov 7, 16:38
  - But now they're saying it. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Nov 7, 16:01 6
    - Who's saying what? - musubi Nov 7, 16:04 4
      - This is true. And probably the hardest to remember. - Stephen Nov 7, 16:18
      - I'm saying the 52 are now suddenly loving the 48, and are saying so. - Dr.Vermin Nov 7, 16:12 2
        
        Fair enough, it probably wasn't said enough. - musubi Nov 7, 16:18
        
        And how is hating Bush the same as hating the US? It's not. - the liioulu with more clothes Nov 7, 16:15
    - Which is every bit as important as wearing a flag pin. :) -- nm - Beryllium Nov 7, 16:02
  - This is where I would in the past start posting my thoughts. But now I just *gets the popcorn and sits down to watch* -- nm - Redmond doing the Happy Friday Dance Nov 7, 16:00
  - I agree with musubi. -- nm - ReluctantCynic Nov 7, 15:59
- The left has always been proud of the US. It's some of the people on charge they've been less than enchanted by. - the liioulu with more clothes Nov 7, 15:58
- One downside to having great presidents ... is that sometimes the effects of their greatness aren't felt for generations. - Beryllium Nov 7, 15:56
Well, this sounds positive. As an outside observer, I agree with some of what you've said about Obama. - Beryllium Nov 7, 15:50 8
- I've often wondered how Bush would be viewed by Americans if the following hypothetical situation came to pass. - Loyola Nov 7, 16:05 2
  - i think the split on that would be about what it is now. - Guy Nov 7, 16:15 1
    - It's certainly optimistic to think that half the country would demand to pay 4 times higher gas prices for the reason that they didn't agree about how - Loyola Nov 7, 16:21
- I will take your double negative as a Freudian slip. - Dr.Vermin Nov 7, 16:00 3
  - I'll take that bet. our grandkids can collect. - Will Hunting Nov 7, 16:11
  - see? Bush is still a hero. if you think the last 8 years were a success, we're doomed to repeat it all over again. -- nm - Guy Nov 7, 16:09
  - *ahem* Yes, thank you for that consideration. However, I still think that his presidency was a clusterfuck. :) -- nm - Beryllium Nov 7, 16:05
- I am Guy Incognito, and I approve this message. -- nm - Guy Nov 7, 15:55
As a Christian, I am surprised that you don't recognize the second coming of the savior. Obama will save us all from our sins. - Redmond doing the Happy Friday Dance Nov 7, 15:46 12
- Now that was an isnult to Obama. Comparing him to Oprah. -- nm - the liioulu with more clothes Nov 7, 15:55
- Your IM describes my family. - Stephen Nov 7, 15:54 4
  - Listen. We were going to get you gifts, but Obama said to redistribute the wealth. So me being a GOPer, I'm broke and Ashlee being a Dem gave her - Will Hunting Nov 7, 16:08 2
    - I bought you a copy of Bioshock and gave it to a homeless man. -- nm - Redmond doing the Happy Friday Dance Nov 7, 16:11 1
      - Just like a GOPer...redistributing the money to those who don't have any use for it. -- nm - Will Hunting Nov 7, 16:12
  - You can't get in trouble if you are stuffing your face with food. Eat and eat and eat. -- nm - Redmond doing the Happy Friday Dance Nov 7, 16:03
- female version of Oprah? - Guy Nov 7, 15:48 5
  - I know women that would jump off a bridge if Oprah told them too do so. - Redmond doing the Happy Friday Dance Nov 7, 15:48 4
    - With enough charm and personality plus, you very well could become a cult leader -- nm - CQ with a gravy boat Nov 7, 15:50
    - and you think the same of Obama's fans? -- nm - Guy Nov 7, 15:49 2
      - Not all of them, but a subset. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 7, 15:51
      - I see a few people that are freaking out about him like he is the cure for cancer. Yes. -- nm - Redmond doing the Happy Friday Dance Nov 7, 15:50

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