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High School coach takes team to his church (in another county) to be baptized. -- (link)

Posted by CovingtonCat Sep 9 '09, 04:59

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And people were upset with POTUS for giving a speech to kids (www.boston.com)

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Here's another article with more info. The superintendent blames the boy for not telling the parents. -- (link) - CovingtonCat Sep 9, 06:34 2
- Adds the superintendent to the list of people being sued personally -- nm - TWuG Sep 9, 06:36 1
  - "she was prepared to drop the matter until she found out that [the superintendent] attended the service" -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 06:48
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- This kind of thing could be a positive if done right. Organize the team baptism thing. - Jim Sep 9, 06:21 17
  - I honestly could not see this being done right unless it is a private religious school. -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 06:52
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    - Bah...that doesn't bother me. The whole separation isn't such a huge deal to me, if it's done right. - Jim Sep 9, 06:30 14
      - I disagree. Being part of a peer group is a strong motivator. If the school starts advocating the expression of religion then you'll get peer pressure - TWuG Sep 9, 06:34 10
        
        Yes, this is exactly why religion is kept out of public schools. -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 06:52
        
        You disagree that this isn't a huge deal to me? -- nm - Jim Sep 9, 06:40 8
        
        I disagree that "you'll find most people are like that". Even if they are, that doesn't make it right. - TWuG Sep 9, 06:45 7
        
        I completely agree. if it were about what "most" people wanted we'd have prayer in public schools in many parts of the country. -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 06:53 4
        
        Christianity would also likely be the"official" religion of the US. -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Sep 9, 06:59 3
        
        Not so much. As a Christian, I don't see any reason that the United States should have anything but a freedom *of* religion stance - oblique Sep 9, 07:02
        
        Which version? -- nm - TWuG Sep 9, 07:01 1
        
        It's all Martin Luther's fault! -- nm - Pope Benedict XVI Sep 9, 07:08
        
        Ah...I'm so glad you're here to let me know that I what I think is ok is, in fact, not ok. What would I do without you? -- nm - Jim Sep 9, 06:49 1
        
        You are allowed to think it's OK. You are wrong that it is ok *in this case*, but you're allowed to think otherwise. - TWuG Sep 9, 06:55
      - With "8 or 9" players being baptized, I sure hope that wasn't the entire team. They won't win a single game with 9 men on the field. -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 06:32 2
        
        "God will provide!" - nubby Sep 9, 06:39 1
        
        Now if they have a talented golden retriever at WR then they might stand a chance. -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 06:44
I think the parents are overreacting just a little bit here. -- nm - znufrii Sep 9, 06:06 51
- The lines "probably 'did it because the team was doing it'" and "he may have felt some pressure" don't exactly scream "we've talked this through with our son". -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 06:30 8
  - which is exactly why I think they're overreacting. - znufrii Sep 9, 06:38 7
    - This just in...the time for discussing this type of thing is BEFORE it happens...not after. - Jim Sep 9, 06:45 2
      - The superintendent admits there are no permission slips. She only does that for �7 or 8 or 9� year olds. -- nm - CovingtonCat Sep 9, 06:50 1
        
        Well...maybe kids mature faster in Kentucky and they are considered adults at 10. -- nm - Jim Sep 9, 06:51
    - You have a... unique.. way of viewing this. It is absolutely proper to file a lawsuit in this case. - TWuG Sep 9, 06:42 1
      - totally agreed. I'd sue. -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 06:58
    - Yeah, I'm getting more of a "our kid did something we don't approve of" vibe here -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 06:40
    - It's NOT the coach's or the school's place to give the kid a choice about religion. Period. -- nm - CovingtonCat Sep 9, 06:39
- Overreacting? You apparently don't understand the significance of Baptism. I'd be livid. - TWuG Sep 9, 06:19 12
  - absolutely, and I say this as someone who spent 16 years in Catholic school. No WAY this should be done as a team. -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 06:56
  - At 16 though it's entirely possible the kid did make his own choice and the parents just don't like it. -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 06:33 8
    - At 16 it isn't the kid's choice to make without parental permission. ESPECIALLY not through a PUBLIC school. -- nm - TWuG Sep 9, 06:35 7
      - The public school thing aside, I don't think the parents get a veto on whether a 16 year-old can be baptized. - Ender Sep 9, 06:39 6
        
        The law disagrees with you. And you'd be a lousy pastor if you didn't bother to consult with the parents. -- nm - TWuG Sep 9, 06:47 3
        
        There's a law against underage baptism? Really? -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 06:49 2
        
        The law puts the power in the hands of the parents, not the 16 year old.It is not the 16 yo's decision to make and if the parents complain, the law - TWuG Sep 9, 06:59 1
        
        What law? There is no law regulating baptism. It's not a legal contract. -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:07
        
        The pastor at the churc says he requires minors to have permission. But he went with �Sometimes 16 year olds look like 18 years. - CovingtonCat Sep 9, 06:42 1
        
        "She said she was 18, I swear!" -- nm - znufrii Sep 9, 06:43
  - and not too long ago, I would probably agree with you. - znufrii Sep 9, 06:21 1
    - The message here is about overriding personal and parental authority. It isn't about the Baptism so much as it's about the Coach assuming - TWuG Sep 9, 06:28
- Really? You would allow someone to baptize your kids without your knowledge? -- nm - CovingtonCat Sep 9, 06:11 28
  - would I be annoyed? sure. but in the end, it's just a few drop of water to a non-believer, no need to make it out as anything more than it is. -- nm - znufrii Sep 9, 06:13 27
    - In the end, it's taking a minor out of the county on a field trip that I neither knew about nor approved. No fucking way... - Jim Sep 9, 06:17 2
      - That's a very good point. - znufrii Sep 9, 06:19 1
        
        Who are you and what have you done with znufrii? - Inigo Sep 9, 06:26
    - It's an attempt to doctrinate someone else's child in a belief the parents don't have. -- nm - CovingtonCat Sep 9, 06:15 23
      - sure, and it would lead to a long talk with my kid about what it meant to him, etc., and an angry call to the coach, perhaps. - znufrii Sep 9, 06:17 22
        
        What makes this any different than hazing? nm -- nm - Jim Sep 9, 06:20 20
        
        For starters, less than half the team attended in the first place, and less than half those who attended voluntarily came forward to be baptized. - Ender Sep 9, 06:45 19
        
        It amazes me that you are okay with subterfuge as a way of promoting religion. Parents were NOT consulted. End of story. - TWuG Sep 9, 06:50 18
        
        Exactly. If a coach had taken a kid to church IN the county, no baptism, parents should be livid. And he went so much further. -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:04
        
        It was a Baptism, so it's ok. If it had been a Muslin practice, he'd be all up in arms - BB Sep 9, 06:59 6
        
        Fuck you. -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:05 5
        
        Clever response. -- nm - BB Sep 9, 07:07 4
        
        What did you expect? You put words in my mouth and intimated that I'm a hypocrite and a bigot. That doesn't call for a well reasoned 3 paragraph response. I stand by it. -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:08 3
        
        Good for you. - BB Sep 9, 07:09 2
        
        I repeat, fuck you. You clearly don't know me or what I think and I won't dignify your ill-informed vitriol with an actual response. -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:14 1
        
        You know the board rolled, right? -- nm - BB Sep 9, 07:16
        
        I don't think the subterfuge was on the coach's part. - Ender Sep 9, 06:57 9
        
        However, the coach clearly didn't verify with parents it was ok. -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:06
        
        Which does nothing to change the fact that the service was out of line in the first place and the coach and superintendent had NO business organizing - TWuG Sep 9, 07:05 7
        
        That's why it wasn't an organized, school sanctioned activity. -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:09 6
        
        The superintendent was there. The coach used a school bus. - Pope Benedict XVI Sep 9, 07:16 1
        
        SFAN! -- nm - CovingtonCat Sep 9, 07:16
        
        it was done as a team, organized by the coach. School organization, school authority. -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:14 3
        
        It wasn't done "as a team", over half the team decided not to go. -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:18 2
        
        20 players went. That's pretty much a team to me. -- nm - CovingtonCat Sep 9, 07:19 1
        
        Then your team's gonna get it's ass handed to them by a real team. -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:26
        
        The coach took the kids to a non-school function without the parents permission. - CovingtonCat Sep 9, 06:19

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