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~Imagine no religion~ -- nm - CovingtonCat Sep 9, 07:48 1
- Epic word. -- nm - con_carne Sep 9, 07:54
Do we think the coach misinterpreted the whole "baptism by fire" thing? -- nm - Beryllium Sep 9, 07:46 5
- no, but many think that someone misinterpreted parental permission. -- nm - tRuMaN Sep 9, 07:47
- since that's a Catholic teaching, probably. :) -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:47 3
  - and no wonder I got bad grades in theology. I was thinking of baptism of blood. -- (link) - loosilu Sep 9, 07:49 2
    - ah. I was thinking of this. -- (link) - Beryllium Sep 9, 07:52 1
      - yep, I found that while looking up the catechism. :) -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:53
anyone looking to buy a new audio/video receiver should check this thing out. -- (link) - tRuMaN Sep 9, 07:41
RC: All three movies are terrible in their own special way. In my own special opinion. :) - Beryllium Sep 9, 07:40
*organizes team circumsicion* - Jewish coach Sep 9, 07:40 11
- Teaches some kick-ass moves and shaves head -- nm - Budhist Monk Sep 9, 07:46
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  - *doesn't schedule anything, anywhere* -- nm - Agnostic Coach Sep 9, 07:45 5
    - Wouldn't this be Apathetic Coach? -- nm - Fuzzy Sep 9, 07:47 3
      - I don't care. -- nm - Apathetic Coach Sep 9, 07:48 2
        
        I care! -- nm - Luke Sep 9, 07:51 1
        
        No wonder you're a terrible school coach. -- nm - Beryllium Sep 9, 07:52
    - What sport would a nihilist coach? -- nm - Beryllium Sep 9, 07:45
  - Umm. - Hindu Sofa Sep 9, 07:43
  - Terrorist! -- nm - Faux News Sep 9, 07:43
- uh oh. -- nm - *lone female player* Sep 9, 07:41
It is slightly amusing to me that so long as the church involved was Christian, it's really no big deal. - TWuG Sep 9, 07:37 11
- Agreeance -- nm - Walt_Disney Sep 9, 07:46
- Sounds like a Sorting Hat is required. -- nm - LMS Sep 9, 07:43
- is there such a thing as a muslim baptisim? -- nm - tRuMaN Sep 9, 07:40 4
  - They tend to be a bit more explodey. *NM* - Ender Sep 9, 07:45 2
    - I am going to hell too - cause that was funny -- nm - Epiphany Sep 9, 07:47
    - heh I wanted to do this but was afraid. so an L4 for your effort. -- nm - Beaker Sep 9, 07:46
  - I doubt it. -- nm - TWuG Sep 9, 07:40
- I wouldn't care what religion it was given adequate permission was acquired. Of course, then it would've been my decision to opt in or out of it - oblique Sep 9, 07:39 3
  - Except you are wrong. Because it involves a PUBLIC school, religion is very much germane to the discussion. - TWuG Sep 9, 07:42 2
    - For what it's worth...it's this attitude...this hardline attitude of "my way or the highway" that stops us from ever having any kind of meaningful - Jim Sep 9, 07:52 1
      - I'm fine with religion as a component of daily life. I am absolutely NOT fine with religion permeating PUBLIC schools. For reasons I've - TWuG Sep 9, 07:56
hmm, apple is cutting the prices of the touch and nano before todays event. -- (link) - tRuMaN Sep 9, 07:36
Of course Monopoly's servers are clogged today so it's impossible to login. - BB Sep 9, 07:31 5
- I got in once, but now I am getting an apache server test page. - tRuMaN Sep 9, 07:41 4
  - It's supposed to go live at 1ET, but I wanted in to look around. - BB Sep 9, 07:45 3
    - It's technically going to be a short game anyway, only lasting 4 months. -- nm - Qale Sep 9, 07:46 1
      - That is short - BB Sep 9, 07:49
    - ayup -- nm - tRuMaN Sep 9, 07:45
ST poll: its humpday. foreplay, "its for me!" or "I hate it!"? -- nm - tRuMaN Sep 9, 07:29 6
- It can certainly make the final act that much more intense, so I normally like it. But sometimes it's fun to just go with the heat of the moment! -- nm - Fuzzy Sep 9, 07:37 1
  - This. -- nm - con_carne Sep 9, 07:40
- Meh -- nm - Epiphany Sep 9, 07:36
- I like it, but it can't go on forever. Some people take it too far. -- nm - MDH Sep 9, 07:35 1
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- definitely -- nm - Jim Sep 9, 07:30
Ontario County has to change its domain name due to too many e-mail systems catching "sex" in its name.....(link) - Walt_Disney Sep 9, 07:28
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- I'm hoping I don't - MDH Sep 9, 07:34
STIS -- Is the separation of church and state codified in the Constitution anywhere? - Fuzzy Sep 9, 07:27 25
- Engel v. Vitale -- (link) - Scorpion Sep 9, 07:52 1
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    - But this does not say there will be a separation of church and state or that the state cannot sponser a religious function. It says "make no law". -- nm - Fuzzy Sep 9, 07:35 16
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        Yes, that's true. You're one of the few people I've ever heard argue otherwise. - Inigo Sep 9, 07:54 2
        
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        No, it means no endorsement of religion. -- nm - Beryllium Sep 9, 07:43 3
        
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        Jack gives good law. -- nm - Fuzzy Sep 9, 07:56
        
        ah, that's what you meant. I see now. -- nm - Beryllium Sep 9, 07:49
      - And specifically "Congress". -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:36 3
        
        Almost every part of the Constitutions applicability to government was applied to the States long ago. -- nm - TWuG Sep 9, 07:39 1
        
        Yes, but it goes back to the "not in so many words" and "interpreted over time" part of the thread. -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:42
        
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- yes. -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:27
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look, if you people dont liven up, I am gonna pay mel to leghump all of you. -- nm - tRuMaN Sep 9, 07:23 7
- What ST needs is a univeral subject-changer. Something that will immediately override annoying conversations. -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:28 5
  - We could talk about defecation again. That was a popular topic yesterday. :) -- nm - Jim Sep 9, 07:31 2
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      - Actually, it was pretty silly...but not near as much fun as prison. -- nm - Jim Sep 9, 07:38
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  - *auto-bans Ender* - loosilu Sep 9, 07:28
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Seeing as how we don't have anything else to talk about today, I'd like to say a big public thanks to TWuG for the great Stalker shirts - prayformojo Sep 9, 07:22 2
- You are very welcome. - TWuG Sep 9, 07:26 1
  - Once each! -- nm - prayformojo Sep 9, 07:32
Here's one story indicating that Baptising a child under 18 without parental consent may in fact violate the law. -- (link) - TWuG Sep 9, 07:12 59
- Seems to me the problem there is more sending buses to neighborhoods and luring kids with promises of pizza and basketball. -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:21 5
  - Hey kiddie, want some pizza? -- nm - Baptist Pastor Sep 9, 07:25 4
    - "Have you seen my puppy? I think he may have gone into the baptismal pool." -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:30 3
      - It's okay. Everyone feels unsaved at first. -- nm - Baptist Pastor Sep 9, 07:32 2
        
        The power of lollipops compels you to be baptized! -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:37 1
        
        To Catch a Proselytizer -- nm - Qale Sep 9, 07:38
- I'm still stuck on the coach taking the team to church for any reason. -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:13 52
  - Off school hours using non-school resources? If that's the case, how does it matter where the coach asks the kids to go for any kind of teambuilding? - oblique Sep 9, 07:15 49
    - A coach taking his team to a church isn't the same as a trip to Applebee's since there's no separation of - Will Hunting Sep 9, 07:23
    - The superintendent attended, they used a school bus, they took the kids to another county - to the coach's church. -- nm - CovingtonCat Sep 9, 07:22 21
      - ie, its was a school function. -- nm - tRuMaN Sep 9, 07:22
      - Like I said, assuming no school funding/involvement other than the fact that they're on the same team. If there were school resources used, I have an - oblique Sep 9, 07:22 19
        
        What about permission? The pastor says he requires minors to have permission. The superintendent didn't think it was necessary for a 16 year old. -- nm - CovingtonCat Sep 9, 07:25 14
        
        Again, if that's the case. Big problem. And I put the blame for that squarely on the adults involved (pastor, coach, superintendent) - oblique Sep 9, 07:29 13
        
        That IS the case. There was NO permission asked for or received. Doesn't matter if the kid lied. - CovingtonCat Sep 9, 07:31 11
        
        (Reading another article, the baptism's weren't actually part of the event schedule. It was a spur of the moment thing in the service.) -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:34 3
        
        Then is was the superintendent's responsibility to prevent it from happening. -- nm - CovingtonCat Sep 9, 07:40 2
        
        (She apparently wasn't actually there with the group, she was there on her own.) -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:47 1
        
        So she just showed up out of the blue? Sorry, that doesn't wash. - CovingtonCat Sep 9, 07:50
        
        I understand. That wasn't exactly my question though. -- nm - oblique Sep 9, 07:32 6
        
        just as a thought exercise, what if it was a Catholic baptism? does that change your view? -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:33 5
        
        They don't even have to be immersed. I just assume priests already walk around surreptitiously sprinkling kids. -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:39 2
        
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        actually they won't do it for anyone over the age of (don't know exactly) - loosilu Sep 9, 07:42
        
        No. I fully understand that in this instance, the adults blurred too many lines, didn't get adequate permission - oblique Sep 9, 07:37 1
        
        don't you think the coach, in his authority position, - loosilu Sep 9, 07:40
        
        you never rely on kids to say they told their parents. ever. -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:30
        
        school bus is not school resources? -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:23 3
        
        The school wasn't paying for that. They paid their own gas and had a volunteer driver. -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:24 1
        
        who would have paid if they had an accident? -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:25
        
        and school staff? -- nm - tRuMaN Sep 9, 07:24
    - Dude...it's the high school football team...that's a pretty solid relationship to the school I think. -- nm - Jim Sep 9, 07:20
    - The coach is an agaent of the State by virtue of being coach. ANY activity or contact he has with students is a school activity. -- nm - TWuG Sep 9, 07:17 18
      - I don't believe that. If he wanted to get the team together and have pizza on his dime, how is that attached to the school in any way? -- nm - oblique Sep 9, 07:20 17
        
        That'd be so many violations, they'd automatically jump to joining the SouthEast Conference. -- nm - NCAA Sep 9, 07:31
        
        So what Mary Kay Letourneau did was OK because it was off school grounds & not on school time? -- nm - CovingtonCat Sep 9, 07:30 8
        
        Funny story, they got married, raised their kids, and lived happily ever after. -- nm - Qale Sep 9, 07:34 2
        
        ...so far -- nm - Beaker Sep 9, 07:44 1
        
        "... so far" could be said about anyone. -- nm - Qale Sep 9, 07:47
        
        Please don't try compare sexual abuse of a child to attending a church -- nm - oblique Sep 9, 07:31 1
        
        I think foisting religion on a child when it's not accepted by the parents to be a form of abuse. - CovingtonCat Sep 9, 07:39
        
        Pretty sure there are laws against statutory rape. -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:31 2
        
        You're right. Should've found a better example where school employees are still representatives of the school whenever students are involved, no matt - CovingtonCat Sep 9, 07:35
        
        not in every state for minor boys.l -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:32
        
        He is the coach. That's his relationship to the kids. His duty as coach means he doesn't get to have a separate personal relationship with the kids - TWuG Sep 9, 07:25 1
        
        I don't think any contact between coach and student off school hours/property becomes a school responsibility - oblique Sep 9, 07:31
        
        ok, what if he took the team to a strip club on his dime? is that ok? -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:21 3
        
        If he takes them to a strip club he's going to need a lot more than a dime. At the very least some singles. -- nm - Ender Sep 9, 07:22
        
        You can't legally take kids to a strip club -- nm - oblique Sep 9, 07:22 1
        
        you can't legally baptise kids without permission either. -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:23
        
        that's not unconstitutional. -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:20
    - "team" exists only because of the school. the coach is their main authority figure, employed by the school. He abused his authority. -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:17 5
      - and do you really expect high school students to separate the coach's authority when it's off school hours? Practice - loosilu Sep 9, 07:18 4
        
        Practice is generally on school property and part of a school event and the coach is probably paid for that time, not the same -- nm - oblique Sep 9, 07:19 3
        
        and you expect students to understand that during off hours he has no authority? -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:19 2
        
        When exactly are "off hours" when you're a coach or a teacher? - BB Sep 9, 07:24 1
        
        yeah, I agree strongly. the coach expects players to follow rules off hours. -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:26
  - "But everyone loves Jesus!" -- nm - lileve Sep 9, 07:14 1
    - stay away from my soul! -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:15
Baptises ST! -- nm - oblique Sep 9, 07:06 7
- *is fine with it* - Epiphany Sep 9, 07:26
- THEOCRATISTS! -- nm - HdnAgnda Sep 9, 07:23
- *wants oblique's head on a platter* -- nm - Salome Sep 9, 07:14
- *cuts ST's balls off* - BB Sep 9, 07:08
- Is it supposed to burn like that? -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Sep 9, 07:08
- *destroys the Batismal pool and burns down the church* -- nm - TWuG Sep 9, 07:08
- I didn't say you could do that! -- nm - loosilu Sep 9, 07:07

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