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In response to "ugh. are they really? they won easy points with this, i wish they would just leave it at that and move on" by Guy

They're certainly losing any moral high ground to criticize the right for muddying the debate with silly partisan bickering. -- nm

Posted by Dr.Vermin (aka Dr.Vermin) Sep 15 '09, 14:40

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Censure procedures exists precisely to record moments of breaking of decorum. All parliamentary bodies have a form of it. -- nm - con_carne Sep 15, 14:44 18
- I'm pretty sure the moment has been recorded. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Sep 15, 14:54 1
  - I meant the notion that it broke decorum. "Here's where the line is, future Congressmen." -- nm - con_carne Sep 15, 15:01
- Like say when someone boos and hisses and heckles a president...? -- nm - Stephen Sep 15, 14:47 11
  - "heckles"? you might want to look up the definition of that one, champ. - Guy Sep 15, 14:54 6
    - Why, are you unsure of the definition there champ? I'm pretty sure shouting out "No" during a speech would fall under the definition of "heckling" - Stephen Sep 15, 15:06 5
      - During Bush, the Democrats didn't have the context of the "raucous town halls." Bravo to them for saying "you crossed the line." Enough is enough. -- nm - con_carne Sep 15, 15:09 1
        
        Oh come on, now you're arguing that they're somehow taking the moral high road here? - Stephen Sep 15, 15:26
      - hardly - to harass (a public speaker, performer, etc.) with impertinent questions, gibes, or the like; -- nm - Guy Sep 15, 15:08 1
        
        Now would you care to look up the definition of gibe? - Stephen Sep 15, 15:24
      - "No" is not "Lie". It's the crux of the issue. - Reagen Sep 15, 15:08
  - It may be an odd rule, but isn't there a specific rule about "lie" and "liar"? -- nm - Dano Sep 15, 14:53
  - or applauds? -- nm - dogbert183 Sep 15, 14:52
  - I'll grant, it's no Sumner caning incident -- nm - con_carne Sep 15, 14:52
  - in the general sense it's tolerated (and whether it's the President or not isn't the issue) -- nm - Reagen Sep 15, 14:51
- and this is *exactly* why most people feel so out of touch with their government. - Guy Sep 15, 14:46 3
  - Well if you believe decorum and rules of conduct should all be forgotten, then yes, by all means this censure is a waste of time. -- nm - con_carne Sep 15, 14:49 2
    - i toured the Parlimentary building in Victoria this weekend and read that they were originally seated at "swords-length" apart to avoid any injuries - Guy Sep 15, 14:57 1
      - Mostly that's symbolic. I mean, why not jsut bring a longer sword? -- nm - Reagen Sep 15, 14:58
so, in your opinion, how badly would a GOP congressman have to break the rules for it *not* to be "silly partisan bickering" - znufrii Sep 15, 14:42 16
- I think given the exposure this has received, and the fact that the direct apology to the President was accepted, the case should be closed. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Sep 15, 14:53 15
  - I would have agreed except for the fact that he's basically backed away from his apology. - Reagen Sep 15, 14:56 14
    - I haven't read/heard about him 'backing away' from the initial apology. My only point is that intentionally or not, those pushing for this censure... - Dr.Vermin Sep 15, 15:03 9
      - The Dems censuring someone for bringing down the healthcare debate is an example of bringing down the healthcare debate? You sound preposterous. -- nm - con_carne Sep 15, 15:07 2
        
        In the sense that the censure just keeps the attention on Wilson, and does nothing to redirect attention back to the debate. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Sep 15, 15:19 1
        
        As I said on B2, I think it might help put the matter behind us, esp. if he does the floor apology thing. Of course, we will see. -- nm - con_carne Sep 15, 15:21
      - From what I've read, Pelosi was content to let it die until Wilson played the "i had my fingers crossed when i said that" game. - Reagen Sep 15, 15:06 5
        
        Again, I don't care what happens to Wilson. I'm just agreeing with Guy [twitch] that this is all counter-productive... - Dr.Vermin Sep 15, 15:14 4
        
        The House deals with hundreds of bills a year. Do you want someone yelling out "Liar!" at everyone who makes a speech? - Reagen Sep 15, 15:17 2
        
        I see your point, but don't agree that that would be the result of skipping this censure. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Sep 15, 15:22
        
        (or, say, look at Taiwan's parliament. Remember those wacky brawls?) -- nm - Reagen Sep 15, 15:19
        
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    - using your IM analogy - censuring him is like tattling to the teacher that someone called you a 'doody-head' -- nm - Guy Sep 15, 14:59 3
      - Hmm? Congress *is* the teacher. -- nm - Reagen Sep 15, 15:00 2
        
        i was thinking more as it relates to the media (and thereby us) -- nm - Guy Sep 15, 15:01 1
        
        But you're stuck on this being for the media instead of being an internal procedural matter. -- nm - Reagen Sep 15, 15:03

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