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I would say that it could, which is where it gets tricky.

Posted by Reagen (aka Reagen) Oct 12 '09, 17:31

at some level the history of the franchise is inseparable from the culture of the team, and the attitude of the city, to be sure. So while I was happy for "Red Sox Nation" when they won that first one, I do raise a bit of an eyebrow at a 20 year old Red Sox fan feeling like some great burden was lifted from him.

I also don't really have a problem with, say, a Yankees fan pointing to 26 WS pennants, especially since they've won recently - if they were in a 15 year drought like they've had, then it gets kind of stale. basically there's probably some sort of formula based on #of years since title, # of titles and age of fan that varies based on general annoyingness.:)

This idea occured to me in seeing some Oilers fans talk about their experience with the team. I came to my fandom very early and was there for all the Cups, while others a little younger than me and less precocious don't have those years to hang on to - for them the Oilers have always been mediocre, and even Gretzky is kind of a distant persona like Bart Starr to a Packers fan.

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I think you're going to get as far with this theory as I have with my spoilers theory. :-) -- nm - TWuG Oct 12, 17:40 32
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  - were they under 30? i mean, don't get me wrong, that was an awesome, awesome day... - TFox Oct 12, 17:47 30
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      - If you weren't alive for Bucky Dent, how could you be impacted by Bucky Dent? - Will Hunting Oct 12, 17:59 24
        
        A personal example for me along those lines is the 1976 Grey Cup - Reagen Oct 12, 18:04
        
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        because you're having a different debate from everyone else? - TFox Oct 12, 18:05 10
        
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        but the difference really isn't the baseball being played, as much as the expectations put on it by the fans. you are told to expect better things... - TFox Oct 12, 18:13 6
        
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        I love how you always act like I'm going to go around enforcing this rather than just using it as a way to discuss sports. -- nm - Reagen Oct 12, 18:22
        
        can we modify it to "allowed, but cool it, don't freak worse than the 60 yr old in the same bar, or he's within his rights to punch you"? -- nm - TFox Oct 12, 18:20 1
        
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        Somehow, the White Sox got shafted through all that. - Will Hunting Oct 12, 18:14 1
        
        Oh, the Sox fans cared. - the liioulu with empty bottle Oct 12, 18:19
        
        If there were born after say 1983....the Cubs fan has it better. - Will Hunting Oct 12, 18:12
        
        Or maybe more if a Cubs fan has suffered more than a Royals fan. - the liioulu with empty bottle Oct 12, 18:11
        
        I mean, for my friends, the oldest Sox that can be their favorites are like Boggs and Evans. For the Yankees fans, it's basically Mattingly. - TFox Oct 12, 18:02 10
        
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        well apples and oranges, since interactions between countries are far more important and far-reaching. - Reagen Oct 12, 18:14 7
        
        I'll give as good an example as I can. David Tyree and Aaron Boone. - TFox Oct 12, 18:18 4
        
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        both occurred well within the recent past, though. - Reagen Oct 12, 18:24
        
        neither do i. i guess both, because you're both on weird extremes and i like the middle, where i'm right. :) -- nm - TFox Oct 12, 18:22
        
        (7) -- nm - TFox Oct 12, 18:19
        
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        I don't see it as narrowing it all that much. - Reagen Oct 12, 18:20
        
        (In fact, the oldest player I remember *loving*? Chris Sabo. For the same reason I loved Horace Grant. The goggles.) -- nm - TFox Oct 12, 18:04
      - I assume he just picked a round number and didn't mean it as a hard cut off. - Reagen Oct 12, 17:59
      - i mean, they can cry if they want. you can't fake tears. people cry at all sorts of shit. - TFox Oct 12, 17:57
    - Right. Exactly. -- nm - Reagen Oct 12, 17:50
    - (at which point i glance up the thread and notice that this is the point of the entire thread. ignore me.) -- nm - TFox Oct 12, 17:48
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- I'm taking this seriously and not seriously at the same time, if you get my drift - Reagen Oct 12, 17:41 2
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    - Uh-huh. -- nm - the liioulu with empty bottle Oct 12, 17:50

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