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Vermin it's not that you can't marry a guy. It's that you can marry somebody you're in love with and sexually attracted to. Gay people can't. -- nm

Posted by mara Nov 11 '08, 14:14

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Neither can pedophiles or polygamists. - Dr.Vermin Nov 11, 14:21 33
- See that line way back there? Let me know when you decide to get back on the right side of it. - ReluctantCynic Nov 11, 14:29 1
  - Seriously, that's effed up. - musubi Nov 11, 14:36
- The one issue I have with polygamy is more of a practical legal issue. Things like divorce are complicated enough with two people. -- nm - Dano Nov 11, 14:28 1
  - That's my issue as well. With two people, there is one contract. With three people, there'd have to be three. - TWuG Nov 11, 14:34
- Saying pedophiles should be able to marry children if gays can marry gays is like saying men should be allowed to rape women if they can marry them. - mara Nov 11, 14:25
- The will of the people is wrong when it oppresses other citizens. The will of the people allowed slavery, segregation and other attrocities. (nm) - musubi Nov 11, 14:25
- you really want to know why a pedophile is a deviant and a gay man isn't? - mafic Nov 11, 14:24
- Children are a protected class. There's no equality under the law for hetero and gay couples. - Will Hunting Nov 11, 14:24 10
  - Throw out the gender restriction, but keep the couple restriction. Why one and not the other? -- nm - Dr.Vermin Nov 11, 14:28 9
    - you can't equate using a child for sex, and a loving relationship between two adults (of any gender). you just can't. drop it. -- nm - Andie Remembers Nov 11, 14:31 4
      - I think he's going with polygamy here. -- nm - Dano Nov 11, 14:32 3
        
        but couples don't apply to polyamorous relationships, right? (i'm confused.) -- nm - Andie Remembers Nov 11, 14:34 2
        
        That's his point. Why remove the restrictions based on gender and not also remove the restriction of only allowing couples. -- nm - Ender Nov 11, 14:42 1
        
        Because for legal purposes the point of the union is stability of property claims, and not gender or orientation. -- nm - Max Nov 11, 14:45
    - Becuase at this point, hetero couples are legally allowed to marry, as you've recently found out. Gay couples can't. - Will Hunting Nov 11, 14:29 2
      - You're not answering my question. - Dr.Vermin Nov 11, 14:33 1
        
        That's a different argument; one that isn't in this debate. It's your strawman. -- nm - Will Hunting Nov 11, 14:36
    - why not, indeed? -- nm - znufrii Nov 11, 14:29
- well, gosh. for one thing, there are age limits and pedophiles wouldn't get past that. and, truthfully, i don't actually think polygamy should be - Andie Remembers Nov 11, 14:24
- Polygamists can, just not all at once. Pedophiles run into that pesky "consenting adults" problem. -- nm - mara Nov 11, 14:24
- I have no problems with polygamy. With pedophilia I think you can draw a line where children by and large can't consent. -- nm - Dano Nov 11, 14:23 1
  - I also have no problem with cousins or siblings having the legal right to marry. (but I think that's gross) -- nm - Dano Nov 11, 14:25
- Gays are deviants? -- nm - TWuG Nov 11, 14:23
- you'd vote no on 8 -- nm - ty97 Nov 11, 14:22 1
  - I'm shocked to the core! -- nm - ty97 Nov 11, 14:23
- Being gay isn't against the law -- nm - Stewie Nov 11, 14:22 7
  - And neither is shacking up with 10 people. In either case though marrying the other party/parties would be illegal. -- nm - Ender Nov 11, 14:26
  - Agreed. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Nov 11, 14:23 5
    - So you just disagree with not treating them like criminals -- nm - Stewie Nov 11, 14:26 3
      - I disagree that they *are* treated like criminals. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Nov 11, 14:30 2
        
        no, more accurately, like slaves, at least in regards to the legality of their union. -- nm - znufrii Nov 11, 14:32 1
        
        L4. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Nov 11, 14:33
    - But Vermin would vote no on that too -- nm - ty97 Nov 11, 14:24
and I'm betting if a gay man married a woman, and filed a joint tax return, or if one used the other's benefits, there'd be some kind of fraud case - mafic Nov 11, 14:19
To the best of my knowledge I have the same stance on this as McCain, Obama, Biden and Palin. - Loyola Nov 11, 14:17 35
- I'm actually anti-marriage (gay and straight) and pro civil unions. - celedhrymandias Nov 11, 14:22
- This is one of Obama/Biden's biggest failings, imo. (nm) - musubi Nov 11, 14:21 5
  - nah, they'd be handing McCain a win if they supported gay marriage. - ty97 Nov 11, 14:25
  - Agreed. I'm very disappointed in Obama's stance on gay marriage. -- nm - TWuG Nov 11, 14:25
  - I think they just played it safe for the election. -- nm - celedhrymandias Nov 11, 14:24 2
    - Probably, but it's still a failing. (nm) - musubi Nov 11, 14:27 1
      - But one I can understand if it gives him 4-8 years to try to steer this country in a direction where a future candidate can be open over it. -- nm - celedhrymandias Nov 11, 14:29
- "...in an Obama-Biden administration, there will be absolutely no distinction from a constitutional standpoint or a legal standpoint..." - Vice President Elect Joe Biden Nov 11, 14:20
- What's the difference? -- nm - Will Hunting Nov 11, 14:19 14
  - If I may jump in, I think it makes a certain amount of sense, IF marriage is a religious union. we can't tell churches who they are allowed to marry. - loosilu Nov 11, 14:22 6
    - marriage has a government aspect and, if one chooses, a religious aspect. The legal fight ongoing is for legal recognition. - ty97 Nov 11, 14:29
    - and, as i've said, you can't be *married* without a government issued license, so, it's really NOT a religious act in this day and age. - Andie Remembers Nov 11, 14:26 4
      - Yes, you can. I have no government issued marriage license. Publication of banns. -- nm - VMan Nov 11, 14:30 1
        
        you have no marriage license? what do you use to prove that you are, you know, married? -- nm - Andie Remembers Nov 11, 14:32
      - Also consider the concept of marriage pre-dates most religions -- nm - Mr. Havens Nov 11, 14:30 1
        
        essentially it was a business arrangement, an exchange of property, if you will... - znufrii Nov 11, 14:33
  - Ask me tomorrow, I'll have more time to get into it. -- nm - Loyola Nov 11, 14:20
  - it feels less icky if you call it something different. -- nm - mafic Nov 11, 14:20
  - semantics -- nm - Dano Nov 11, 14:19 4
    - Which is why I'm now in favor of the idea that the government should not do marriages for anyone, only civil unions. -- nm - Dano Nov 11, 14:22 3
      - incorporated coupleships -- nm - Max Nov 11, 14:24 2
        
        BFFs -- nm - Dano Nov 11, 14:26 1
        
        bf*FL* -- nm - Loyola si Nov 11, 14:27
- akimbo? -- nm - Dano Nov 11, 14:19
- Then you need to support the outlawing of divorce, which also destroys the sanctity of marriage -- nm - Mr. Havens Nov 11, 14:18 10
  - I do. Voted against divorce in a referendum here. -- nm - Loyola Nov 11, 14:19 9
    - *golf clap* -- nm - Ender Nov 11, 14:24
    - What referendum is that? When? - musubi Nov 11, 14:23 2
      - Ireland, not sure what year. Actually I may have been 17, but I'm against it anyway. -- nm - Loyola Nov 11, 14:28
      - i thought Loyola was Irish? -- nm - Andie Remembers Nov 11, 14:25
    - are you serious? really? - Andie Remembers Nov 11, 14:20 1
      - Yeah. -- nm - Loyola Nov 11, 14:29
    - wow. under any circumstances? -- nm - loosilu Nov 11, 14:20 1
      - In an abusive relationship, under a Catholic marriage anyway, I'm not against annulments. -- nm - Loyola Nov 11, 14:30
    - yowza! -- nm - kare Nov 11, 14:19

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