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Cool, one of my photos on Flickr is being considered for inclusion in a Calgary city guide. - Subversive Oct 20, 08:14 [flickr] 4
- Yup. I have 2 of mine on Schmap, and I know at least one other on ST/TT has one. - JaxSean Oct 20, 08:23 2
  - (but still cool!) -- nm - JaxSean Oct 20, 08:24
  - I have one. Not a very good picture though -- nm - Guigue Oct 20, 08:23
- very cool! -- nm - Andie Oct 20, 08:15
I want to hate Megan Fox more than anything. We all do. But I read a bunch of her quotes, and she's witty and smart and carefree. - prayformojo Oct 20, 08:13 2
- plus the whole slut factor. -- nm - Don Homer Oct 20, 08:16
- sfek. Unlikely endorsement from.....Kristen Bell -- nm - prayformojo Oct 20, 08:14
Supreme Court to hear case of Gitmo prisoners who remain in custody even after the Pentagon determines they're not a threat to the United States. -- (link) - Don Homer Oct 20, 08:08 1
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You know what else is rad? Basketball. Are you aware that the C's have KG, Perk, Big Baby, and Sheed? Come climb the mountain of green if you wish. -- nm - TFox Oct 20, 08:06
Last week's episode of "Trauma" had a good example of a shooter situation and whether to be kept alive or dead, spoilers inside - MDH Oct 20, 08:06
$31 Halloween flights on JetBlue. You have to fly after 12 noon local time on Oct. 31st. - Deevil Oct 20, 08:02 2
- Wow. Thanks! - kelly Oct 20, 08:11 1
  - I wish I could take advantage of it myself but after paying this month's bills today, um...no. -- nm - Deevil Oct 20, 08:15
Let's assume for a minute, that the Columbine killers did not off themselves. - groiny Oct 20, 07:55 43
- Cops would have killed them. If not, parents would have killed them. -- nm - Beryllium (iPhone) Oct 20, 07:57 3
  - another topic. If they dropped guns and waved white flags and such. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 07:58 2
    - See: parents. -- nm - Beryllium (iPhone) Oct 20, 07:59 1
      - hey, I would be first in line. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 08:00
- No, - Andie Oct 20, 07:56 38
  - so, we should pay our tax dollars to keep them alive for another 70 years? - groiny Oct 20, 07:57 37
    - The problem is you can't make a rule of law on that basis (even assuming we all agree that they should die (which obviously everyone doesn't)). Cases - pmb Oct 20, 08:03
    - Yes. -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Oct 20, 08:02
    - Correct -- nm - con_carne Oct 20, 08:01
    - If tax dollars are your main concern, life sentences woiuld be cheaper -- nm - Roger More Oct 20, 08:01
    - yup. -- nm - Don Homer Oct 20, 08:00
    - it's a burden of the state to humanely deal with its criminals -- nm - prayformojo Oct 20, 08:00
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      - again, a problem with the court system. - groiny Oct 20, 08:00 28
        
        isn't that the sort of behaviour that in foreign dictators makes them 'the bad guys' and forces civilzed countries to invade them? -- nm - Andie Oct 20, 08:02 6
        
        no. My point is that every "trial" is this mass of expenses, that is always quoted when in these discussions. - groiny Oct 20, 08:04 5
        
        You almost never have all those things you describe. It's a strawman argument. - pmb Oct 20, 08:12 3
        
        it is also a tiny fraction of people in prison who actually are executed. - groiny Oct 20, 08:14 2
        
        Well until we invent the Judgotron 3000... -- nm - Reagen Oct 20, 08:16
        
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        but you can't change the rules. everyone gets a fair trial. everyone. that is supposed to protect everyone. -- nm - Andie Oct 20, 08:05
        
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        no. But I do not see why trying that case would be SO expensive. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 08:02 19
        
        Ok, let's say they hadn't killed themselves, and they had been wearing masks and they escaped and the cops pieced together a case that they did it. - pmb Oct 20, 08:05 5
        
        all murder is not created equal. - groiny Oct 20, 08:07 4
        
        But guilt of a crime is a yes or no question. There aren't degrees of that, unless you add on more crimes they're guilty of. -- nm - con_carne Oct 20, 08:08
        
        My point is that the scenario I've given involves exactly the same murders, it's just that the killers aren't caught on the scene in the act. - pmb Oct 20, 08:08 2
        
        I obviously, am interested in putting down those "unmurky" ones. - groiny Oct 20, 08:11 1
        
        Forensics are expensive and are useful to exonerate people, but less so to convict with certainty. - pmb Oct 20, 08:14
        
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        how can you appeal something where there are 100 witnesses? - groiny Oct 20, 08:06 6
        
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        I am saying, that you cannot cover everything with one big blanket. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 08:09 4
        
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        my system works better than yours. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 08:15
        
        so, who decides which set of laws applies to each crime? -- nm - Andie Oct 20, 08:10 1
        
        Mariska Hargitay. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 08:11
        
        years of lawyers bills? YEARS? -- nm - Andie Oct 20, 08:03 4
        
        there is where you are not getting me. - groiny Oct 20, 08:05 3
        
        see above. how do you change the law to make it okay for this person to not appeal? - Andie Oct 20, 08:07
        
        It might not take long to convict, but the time it takes to sentence is another story - Roger More Oct 20, 08:06 1
        
        again, a faulty court system. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 08:07
    - i just don't think that the state killing anyone is ever right, ever. - Andie Oct 20, 07:59
While we're on the topic of crime and punishment... -- (link) - znufrii Oct 20, 07:53
Former nurse's aide in US becomes Ugandan king. -- (link) - Don Homer Oct 20, 07:49 3
- Is he hot? -- nm - mara Oct 20, 07:51 2
  - Extremely. -- nm - Don Homer Oct 20, 08:09
  - But there are at least five Ugandan kings - which do you pick? -- nm - Roger More Oct 20, 07:58
The Boxoffice Results are in. Who was the wildest? -- (link) - oblique Oct 20, 07:28 6
- Hey, is it possible for you to send out an FB notification every Thursday or so, to remind people to play - Roger More Oct 20, 08:11
- Wow. I did all right on most of them! -- nm - kelly Oct 20, 07:44
- Bah, no more results in the IM? ;-) -- nm - con_carne Oct 20, 07:41
- I should really start enterering my guesses - would've been almost spot on with Paranormal and Wild Things. - Cuzzin Todd Oct 20, 07:37
- yikes, my estimates were scattershots. -- nm - Beryllium Oct 20, 07:34 1
  - David nailed The Stepfather. heh. -- nm - oblique Oct 20, 07:35
Ya know...I'm thinking we should start encouraging our murderers to just turn their gun on themself. - Jim Oct 20, 07:26 3
- if the cops would just shoot to kill instead of to incapacitate. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 07:27 2
  - That would do it too. *sniff* Do you smell what I smell? Is there a Jim/groin ticket starting to brew for 2012? -- nm - Jim Oct 20, 07:28
  - at first read, I thought this said "decapitate". and i was like, "holy damn, that is some slick shootin, Tex!" -- nm - TFox Oct 20, 07:28
Znu, I agree with you on the death penalty, but if you don't want people disagreeing with you, don't bring it up. - Inigo Oct 20, 07:23 61
- It's just that we've already hashed through the issue here that there really isn't much ground left to cover on the topic. - znufrii Oct 20, 07:26 1
  - You could say that about almost any politcal topic. -- nm - Inigo Oct 20, 07:29
- I am still pretty interested to see how many people were put down last year... - groiny Oct 20, 07:25 58
  - 40 this year, according to this website. -- (link) - znufrii Oct 20, 07:28
  - Here's the 2008 numbers -- (link) - Reagen Oct 20, 07:27 5
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      - and what I've read about Japan's justice system isn't pretty either - Reagen Oct 20, 08:00 2
        
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        The conviction rate is something like 99 per cent of people brought to trial -- nm - Roger More Oct 20, 08:05
    - We shouldn't let Iran be ahead of us for anything! -- nm - Don Homer Oct 20, 07:33
  - Looks like 40 or so. -- (link) - Will Hunting Oct 20, 07:27
  - 37 -- nm - Don Homer Oct 20, 07:27 49
    - see, that is a super low number for me, compared to how many are murdered yearly. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 07:27 48
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        how so? - groiny Oct 20, 07:30 46
        
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        it is an example, if you are using murder as the only reason to execute someone. - groiny Oct 20, 07:38 13
        
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        are you saying that 1% of murderers in the US are executed? - groiny Oct 20, 07:40 11
        
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        well, the state isn't doing it on purpose. -- nm - TFox Oct 20, 07:45 9
        
        if they convict a man to death, it's 'on purpose.' -- nm - Andie Oct 20, 07:48 4
        
        yes, on purpose, with a purpose that, admittedly will never be 100% foolproof. nothing can be. -- nm - TFox Oct 20, 07:50 3
        
        you know how you could not accidently kill an innocent man? don't use the death penalty. - Andie Oct 20, 07:52 1
        
        my point isn't so much that we should use it more, or expand it, or speed it up. - TFox Oct 20, 07:55
        
        which is why it's a good idea to be able to take it back. -- nm - Reagen Oct 20, 07:52
        
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        that's spin, lawyer-boy. the system is not intending to kill innocent people. murderers are. that's why it's called "murder". -- nm - TFox Oct 20, 07:49 2
        
        how does *accidentally* killing an innocent person make them any less dead? -- nm - Andie Oct 20, 07:56
        
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        can we go with "forty people isn't really all that much, and the number of those that were 'mistakes' is much lower..." - TFox Oct 20, 07:35 20
        
        I'd say it is a big deal. One innocent executed man is too many. - Reagen Oct 20, 07:39 6
        
        My issue with this is that it's an argument against sentencing unless the state can be perfect. - Max Oct 20, 07:53 5
        
        in these cases, there can at least be an attempt for the person to be made whole. -- nm - Reagen Oct 20, 07:57 3
        
        which then puts the burden of proof on the defense and even if they win forces them to accept this definition of wholeness. -- nm - Max Oct 20, 09:00
        
        and yet, it happens far far more frequently than the accidental executions, yes? -- nm - TFox Oct 20, 07:57 1
        
        Lots of things happen more frequently than that. I don't see your point. -- nm - Reagen Oct 20, 08:02
        
        i agree with this too. -- nm - TFox Oct 20, 07:56
        
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        we don't get worked up about some guy killing one person. we ignore virtually every murder in this country. - TFox Oct 20, 07:39 4
        
        I have no idea what one thing has to do with another. - pmb Oct 20, 07:57
        
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        i know they don't. that's not what i mean, but it's cool. i understand my point. -- nm - TFox Oct 20, 07:44 1
        
        I'm with you on this one too. -- nm - Jim Oct 20, 07:45
        
        the chance that an innocent person could be executed is the reason i can't support the death penalty. - Andie Oct 20, 07:37
        
        Not 100%, so... no we can't go with that. -- nm - Don Homer Oct 20, 07:36 5
        
        ok. i'm going to go with that, anyway. -- nm - TFox Oct 20, 07:37 4
        
        sure, until it's someone you know on death row. - Andie Oct 20, 07:38 3
        
        I don't hang out with murderers. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 07:44 2
        
        most people don't any murderers. but the one who do are probably just as surprised by it as you would be. - Andie Oct 20, 07:46
        
        David Milgaard didn't - he just had the bad luck to live above one and have long hair. - Reagen Oct 20, 07:46
        
        I think this is where people don't necessarily see where we're coming from. - Jim Oct 20, 07:33 9
        
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        I don't know...I sit behind a computer all day. What I'm saying is I'm sure there are cases - Jim Oct 20, 07:36 7
        
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        dude, stop being a lawyer for a minute. - groiny Oct 20, 07:43 5
        
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        we just had one get killed on videotape. - groiny Oct 20, 07:47
        
        neither is GUILTY. -- nm - Reagen Oct 20, 07:44 2
        
        I am not talking about a long court battle where circumstantial evidence is incriminating. - groiny Oct 20, 07:46 1
        
        that's *exactly* what happened in the Texas case. -- nm - Reagen Oct 20, 07:47
People are dumb. A radio station here is offering tickets to a Public Enemy show (aside: PE is still touring?) - Reagen Oct 20, 07:21 6
- Man, PE would be so great to see. -- nm - TFox Oct 20, 07:24 1
  - I saw them in August, huge disappointment. It's pretty much FF running around saying "Yeeeah Boy" -- nm - MDH Oct 20, 07:25
- I do like that 'The Show' is not afraid to be snarky. - Subversive Oct 20, 07:23
- The "Beach Boys" are still touring but not one member is from the original band. Maybe this is was PE is now? -- nm - lileve Oct 20, 07:22 2
  - Nope, they have Flavor Flav and Chuck D. And they get big money for shows. -- nm - MDH Oct 20, 07:23 1
    - Sweet. Good for them. -- nm - lileve Oct 20, 07:23
"It's on an easterly heading....you gotta bear right." - Cary Elwes Oct 20, 07:20
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- *campaigns for 20 odd years to prove B2's innocence* -- nm - Ludovic Kennedy Oct 20, 07:25 7
  - see, the problem is not with the penalty, it is with the ineffecient court system. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 07:26 6
    - I think if the UK courts always hanged guilty people we'd still have the death penalty, but they didn't and it sometimes took many years to prove it. - Ludovic Kennedy Oct 20, 07:32 2
      - Texas killed an innocent person a few years ago. Course they're probably proud of that. -- nm - Don Homer Oct 20, 07:35 1
        
        I'm sure he messed with Texas at some point during his incarceration. - Beryllium Oct 20, 07:36
    - In some cases, the incompetent court system as well. - Will Hunting Oct 20, 07:29
    - How many times did you see Law Abiding Citizen this weekend? -- nm - Reagen Oct 20, 07:28 1
      - not a one. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 07:29
- *replaces all the members of the judicial review panel with my golfing buddies* -- nm - Reagen Oct 20, 07:20 1
  - Eh. Let's do away with the review panels. One appeal is plenty. Maybe two. -- nm - Don Homer Oct 20, 07:21
- *comes back from the grave to haunt you the rest of your life for killing an innocent board* -- nm - B2 Oct 20, 07:20

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