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Znu, I agree with you on the death penalty, but if you don't want people disagreeing with you, don't bring it up.

Posted by Inigo (aka Inigo) Oct 20 '09, 07:23

You can't say your argument then not expect someone else to counter. Especially since groiny was pretty civil about it.

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It's just that we've already hashed through the issue here that there really isn't much ground left to cover on the topic. - znufrii Oct 20, 07:26 1
- You could say that about almost any politcal topic. -- nm - Inigo Oct 20, 07:29
I am still pretty interested to see how many people were put down last year... - groiny Oct 20, 07:25 58
- 40 this year, according to this website. -- (link) - znufrii Oct 20, 07:28
- Here's the 2008 numbers -- (link) - Reagen Oct 20, 07:27 5
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    - and what I've read about Japan's justice system isn't pretty either - Reagen Oct 20, 08:00 2
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      - The conviction rate is something like 99 per cent of people brought to trial -- nm - Roger More Oct 20, 08:05
  - We shouldn't let Iran be ahead of us for anything! -- nm - Don Homer Oct 20, 07:33
- Looks like 40 or so. -- (link) - Will Hunting Oct 20, 07:27
- 37 -- nm - Don Homer Oct 20, 07:27 49
  - see, that is a super low number for me, compared to how many are murdered yearly. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 07:27 48
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      - how so? - groiny Oct 20, 07:30 46
        
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        it is an example, if you are using murder as the only reason to execute someone. - groiny Oct 20, 07:38 13
        
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        are you saying that 1% of murderers in the US are executed? - groiny Oct 20, 07:40 11
        
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        well, the state isn't doing it on purpose. -- nm - TFox Oct 20, 07:45 9
        
        if they convict a man to death, it's 'on purpose.' -- nm - Andie Oct 20, 07:48 4
        
        yes, on purpose, with a purpose that, admittedly will never be 100% foolproof. nothing can be. -- nm - TFox Oct 20, 07:50 3
        
        you know how you could not accidently kill an innocent man? don't use the death penalty. - Andie Oct 20, 07:52 1
        
        my point isn't so much that we should use it more, or expand it, or speed it up. - TFox Oct 20, 07:55
        
        which is why it's a good idea to be able to take it back. -- nm - Reagen Oct 20, 07:52
        
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        that's spin, lawyer-boy. the system is not intending to kill innocent people. murderers are. that's why it's called "murder". -- nm - TFox Oct 20, 07:49 2
        
        how does *accidentally* killing an innocent person make them any less dead? -- nm - Andie Oct 20, 07:56
        
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        can we go with "forty people isn't really all that much, and the number of those that were 'mistakes' is much lower..." - TFox Oct 20, 07:35 20
        
        I'd say it is a big deal. One innocent executed man is too many. - Reagen Oct 20, 07:39 6
        
        My issue with this is that it's an argument against sentencing unless the state can be perfect. - Max Oct 20, 07:53 5
        
        in these cases, there can at least be an attempt for the person to be made whole. -- nm - Reagen Oct 20, 07:57 3
        
        which then puts the burden of proof on the defense and even if they win forces them to accept this definition of wholeness. -- nm - Max Oct 20, 09:00
        
        and yet, it happens far far more frequently than the accidental executions, yes? -- nm - TFox Oct 20, 07:57 1
        
        Lots of things happen more frequently than that. I don't see your point. -- nm - Reagen Oct 20, 08:02
        
        i agree with this too. -- nm - TFox Oct 20, 07:56
        
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        we don't get worked up about some guy killing one person. we ignore virtually every murder in this country. - TFox Oct 20, 07:39 4
        
        I have no idea what one thing has to do with another. - pmb Oct 20, 07:57
        
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        i know they don't. that's not what i mean, but it's cool. i understand my point. -- nm - TFox Oct 20, 07:44 1
        
        I'm with you on this one too. -- nm - Jim Oct 20, 07:45
        
        the chance that an innocent person could be executed is the reason i can't support the death penalty. - Andie Oct 20, 07:37
        
        Not 100%, so... no we can't go with that. -- nm - Don Homer Oct 20, 07:36 5
        
        ok. i'm going to go with that, anyway. -- nm - TFox Oct 20, 07:37 4
        
        sure, until it's someone you know on death row. - Andie Oct 20, 07:38 3
        
        I don't hang out with murderers. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 07:44 2
        
        most people don't any murderers. but the one who do are probably just as surprised by it as you would be. - Andie Oct 20, 07:46
        
        David Milgaard didn't - he just had the bad luck to live above one and have long hair. - Reagen Oct 20, 07:46
        
        I think this is where people don't necessarily see where we're coming from. - Jim Oct 20, 07:33 9
        
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        I don't know...I sit behind a computer all day. What I'm saying is I'm sure there are cases - Jim Oct 20, 07:36 7
        
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        dude, stop being a lawyer for a minute. - groiny Oct 20, 07:43 5
        
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        we just had one get killed on videotape. - groiny Oct 20, 07:47
        
        neither is GUILTY. -- nm - Reagen Oct 20, 07:44 2
        
        I am not talking about a long court battle where circumstantial evidence is incriminating. - groiny Oct 20, 07:46 1
        
        that's *exactly* what happened in the Texas case. -- nm - Reagen Oct 20, 07:47

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Znu, I agree with you on the death penalty, but if you don't want people disagreeing with you, don't bring it up.

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