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In response to "Let's assume for a minute, that the Columbine killers did not off themselves." by groiny

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Posted by Andie (aka Andie) Oct 20 '09, 07:56

life in prison, no parole.

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so, we should pay our tax dollars to keep them alive for another 70 years? - groiny Oct 20, 07:57 37
- The problem is you can't make a rule of law on that basis (even assuming we all agree that they should die (which obviously everyone doesn't)). Cases - pmb Oct 20, 08:03
- Yes. -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Oct 20, 08:02
- Correct -- nm - con_carne Oct 20, 08:01
- If tax dollars are your main concern, life sentences woiuld be cheaper -- nm - Roger More Oct 20, 08:01
- yup. -- nm - Don Homer Oct 20, 08:00
- it's a burden of the state to humanely deal with its criminals -- nm - prayformojo Oct 20, 08:00
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  - again, a problem with the court system. - groiny Oct 20, 08:00 28
    - isn't that the sort of behaviour that in foreign dictators makes them 'the bad guys' and forces civilzed countries to invade them? -- nm - Andie Oct 20, 08:02 6
      - no. My point is that every "trial" is this mass of expenses, that is always quoted when in these discussions. - groiny Oct 20, 08:04 5
        
        You almost never have all those things you describe. It's a strawman argument. - pmb Oct 20, 08:12 3
        
        it is also a tiny fraction of people in prison who actually are executed. - groiny Oct 20, 08:14 2
        
        Well until we invent the Judgotron 3000... -- nm - Reagen Oct 20, 08:16
        
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        but you can't change the rules. everyone gets a fair trial. everyone. that is supposed to protect everyone. -- nm - Andie Oct 20, 08:05
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      - no. But I do not see why trying that case would be SO expensive. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 08:02 19
        
        Ok, let's say they hadn't killed themselves, and they had been wearing masks and they escaped and the cops pieced together a case that they did it. - pmb Oct 20, 08:05 5
        
        all murder is not created equal. - groiny Oct 20, 08:07 4
        
        But guilt of a crime is a yes or no question. There aren't degrees of that, unless you add on more crimes they're guilty of. -- nm - con_carne Oct 20, 08:08
        
        My point is that the scenario I've given involves exactly the same murders, it's just that the killers aren't caught on the scene in the act. - pmb Oct 20, 08:08 2
        
        I obviously, am interested in putting down those "unmurky" ones. - groiny Oct 20, 08:11 1
        
        Forensics are expensive and are useful to exonerate people, but less so to convict with certainty. - pmb Oct 20, 08:14
        
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        how can you appeal something where there are 100 witnesses? - groiny Oct 20, 08:06 6
        
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        I am saying, that you cannot cover everything with one big blanket. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 08:09 4
        
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        my system works better than yours. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 08:15
        
        so, who decides which set of laws applies to each crime? -- nm - Andie Oct 20, 08:10 1
        
        Mariska Hargitay. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 08:11
        
        years of lawyers bills? YEARS? -- nm - Andie Oct 20, 08:03 4
        
        there is where you are not getting me. - groiny Oct 20, 08:05 3
        
        see above. how do you change the law to make it okay for this person to not appeal? - Andie Oct 20, 08:07
        
        It might not take long to convict, but the time it takes to sentence is another story - Roger More Oct 20, 08:06 1
        
        again, a faulty court system. nm -- nm - groiny Oct 20, 08:07
- i just don't think that the state killing anyone is ever right, ever. - Andie Oct 20, 07:59

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