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In response to "Theo is smart, jeebus I wish my favorite team had a GM this smart. (link)" by musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight

holy crap I forgot to bring this up. i listened to this interview. more key quote: Theo believes JD Drew has been worth more than what he pays him.

Posted by TFox Oct 23 '09, 10:59

�If you want to look at this from a straight objective standpoint, what he contributes offensively and then what he contributes defensively, and then add in baserunning, so it�s the total value of a player, on a rate basis, he was outstanding. And there aren�t too many outfielders who can compare to what he did from a qualitative standpoint� What he�s done in the first three years of that contract, the way we value . . . based on the free agent market, what he�s done qualitatively, and when you factor in even the amount he�s played over these three years, yeah, he�s actually come out to a tick more than $14 million per year.�

He also said that Drew's total value (offense and defense and baserunning), according to the Sox's formula, has Drew as one of the top 3 outfielders in the AL in 2009.

Go ahead, ST. Mock and ridicule and explode. I've been meaning to bring this up since yesterday morning when I heard it.

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Unfortunately, the Sox formula has one major flaw in it and once that is added in he becomes on of the bottom 3 outfielders - decline Oct 23, 11:02
The statement itself is self-referentially mocking. -- nm - David Oct 23, 11:01
Multiple respected baseball people at websites like Fangraphs and Baseball Prospectus came to the same conslusion independently. - musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight Oct 23, 11:01 26
- he also said RBI's aren't important -- nm - CQ Oct 23, 11:02 25
  - They're not. Once again, Theo is smart. (nm) - musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight Oct 23, 11:03 14
    - this is beyond the pale -- nm - crash davis Oct 23, 11:05 13
      - Consider this: Jeff Francouer had 71 RBIs last year. - David Oct 23, 11:07 3
        
        yeah, but that gap between 71 RBIs and 108 RBIs is important, it tells you something right there -- nm - crash davis Oct 23, 11:10 2
        
        Only when placed in that context. Otherwise, you just hear "71 RBIs" and think he was rather productive. -- nm - David Oct 23, 11:12 1
        
        I think 100+ is great, 90 is productive, 80 okay, 70 is a second baseman -- nm - crash davis Oct 23, 11:13
      - See TFox for context. It's true. RBI's are nice, but they're not important. - musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight Oct 23, 11:06 8
        
        how about batting avg. with runners on base? is that important? - crash davis Oct 23, 11:08 7
        
        Way more important than RBI's but still pretty random. - musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight Oct 23, 11:11
        
        OPS is the one true stat, Crash. Learn to love it. -- nm - David Oct 23, 11:11 5
        
        OPS is still flawed. It's the best shorthand stat, but weighted on-base average is a better all-in-one offensive stat, imo. (nm) - musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight Oct 23, 11:13
        
        tell moose that, and then tell him that players with a certain career OPS level should be in the hall of fame -- nm - crash davis Oct 23, 11:12 3
        
        How am I going to reason with Moose? Did you see the ARod nonsense last night? And now he's talking up JD Drew, for God's sake. -- nm - David Oct 23, 11:19 1
        
        no, I didn't see anything about ARod -- nm - crash davis Oct 23, 11:20
        
        Nah, OPS only considers offense and isn't league-context dependent. (nm) - musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight Oct 23, 11:17
  - I'm going to need some context on that one -- nm - crash davis Oct 23, 11:03 6
    - important to the team, not important in evaluating an individual player. -- nm - TFox Oct 23, 11:04 5
      - RBIs are relatively random. JD Drew's failings as a massively overpaid player are not. - David Oct 23, 11:06 3
        
        JD Drew is at worst marginally overpaid. - musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight Oct 23, 11:08 2
        
        You're so cute. Tell me the part about Alex Rios again! -- nm - David Oct 23, 11:10 1
        
        He was a good gamble that Kenny Williams lost. *shrug* - musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight Oct 23, 11:14
      - exactly, it's all part of a team concept. It's still funny though -- nm - CQ Oct 23, 11:04
  - that part I agree with, and I don't know if you heard Schilling call in later to say he agreed with that part. - TFox Oct 23, 11:03 2
    - of course Schilling would say that, using RBIs as part of his plan would mean he is conceding the point that people will get on base - crash davis Oct 23, 11:04 1
      - You are crazy. RBI's are a function of players getting on base infront of a hitter. - musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight Oct 23, 11:09

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holy crap I forgot to bring this up. i listened to this interview. more key quote: Theo believes JD Drew has been worth more than what he pays him.

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