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In response to "holy crap I forgot to bring this up. i listened to this interview. more key quote: Theo believes JD Drew has been worth more than what he pays him." by TFox

Multiple respected baseball people at websites like Fangraphs and Baseball Prospectus came to the same conslusion independently.

Posted by musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight (aka musubi) Oct 23 '09, 11:01

Theo's f***ing smart.

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he also said RBI's aren't important -- nm - CQ Oct 23, 11:02 25
- They're not. Once again, Theo is smart. (nm) - musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight Oct 23, 11:03 14
  - this is beyond the pale -- nm - crash davis Oct 23, 11:05 13
    - Consider this: Jeff Francouer had 71 RBIs last year. - David Oct 23, 11:07 3
      - yeah, but that gap between 71 RBIs and 108 RBIs is important, it tells you something right there -- nm - crash davis Oct 23, 11:10 2
        
        Only when placed in that context. Otherwise, you just hear "71 RBIs" and think he was rather productive. -- nm - David Oct 23, 11:12 1
        
        I think 100+ is great, 90 is productive, 80 okay, 70 is a second baseman -- nm - crash davis Oct 23, 11:13
    - See TFox for context. It's true. RBI's are nice, but they're not important. - musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight Oct 23, 11:06 8
      - how about batting avg. with runners on base? is that important? - crash davis Oct 23, 11:08 7
        
        Way more important than RBI's but still pretty random. - musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight Oct 23, 11:11
        
        OPS is the one true stat, Crash. Learn to love it. -- nm - David Oct 23, 11:11 5
        
        OPS is still flawed. It's the best shorthand stat, but weighted on-base average is a better all-in-one offensive stat, imo. (nm) - musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight Oct 23, 11:13
        
        tell moose that, and then tell him that players with a certain career OPS level should be in the hall of fame -- nm - crash davis Oct 23, 11:12 3
        
        How am I going to reason with Moose? Did you see the ARod nonsense last night? And now he's talking up JD Drew, for God's sake. -- nm - David Oct 23, 11:19 1
        
        no, I didn't see anything about ARod -- nm - crash davis Oct 23, 11:20
        
        Nah, OPS only considers offense and isn't league-context dependent. (nm) - musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight Oct 23, 11:17
- I'm going to need some context on that one -- nm - crash davis Oct 23, 11:03 6
  - important to the team, not important in evaluating an individual player. -- nm - TFox Oct 23, 11:04 5
    - RBIs are relatively random. JD Drew's failings as a massively overpaid player are not. - David Oct 23, 11:06 3
      - JD Drew is at worst marginally overpaid. - musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight Oct 23, 11:08 2
        
        You're so cute. Tell me the part about Alex Rios again! -- nm - David Oct 23, 11:10 1
        
        He was a good gamble that Kenny Williams lost. *shrug* - musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight Oct 23, 11:14
    - exactly, it's all part of a team concept. It's still funny though -- nm - CQ Oct 23, 11:04
- that part I agree with, and I don't know if you heard Schilling call in later to say he agreed with that part. - TFox Oct 23, 11:03 2
  - of course Schilling would say that, using RBIs as part of his plan would mean he is conceding the point that people will get on base - crash davis Oct 23, 11:04 1
    - You are crazy. RBI's are a function of players getting on base infront of a hitter. - musubiafraidofthingsthatgobumpinthenight Oct 23, 11:09

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