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In response to "bzzzt! they're both fake. -- nm" by loosilu

they're invented languages, but can be used for communication. that makes them real, in my mind, if not particularly useful. -- nm

Posted by Reagen (aka Reagen) Nov 19 '09, 10:47

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(Every language was fake at some point) -- nm - Reagen Nov 19, 10:47 22
- I wonder if Klingon is devoted more to abstract concepts than real objects, which might make it harder to pick up. -- nm - Max Nov 19, 10:48 2
  - Because the Klingon race are such philosophers? -- nm - Roger More Nov 19, 10:53 1
    - it's all honor, aggression, and big weiner talk. -- nm - Max Nov 19, 10:54
- totally disagree about this. and I consider those languages "not real" because they're imposed.. -- nm - loosilu Nov 19, 10:48 17
  - Tell that to computers. -- nm - Spawn Nov 19, 10:54
  - just because it's artificial doesn't mean it's not real. -- nm - znufrii Nov 19, 10:53 3
    - for me, it is not about whether it was invented, but more about how it is used. -- nm - loosilu Nov 19, 10:54 2
      - I have no problem with categorizing languages that way, I just think calling it "fake" is semantically imprecise is all - znufrii Nov 19, 10:57 1
        
        I am not a linguist, just trying to figure it out for myself. :) -- nm - loosilu Nov 19, 10:59
  - would you rephrase that in english? -- nm - Max Nov 19, 10:52
  - I kind of look at it like - is a chair still a chair is no one's sitting in it? In the same way, Klingon is a language even if it's no one's mother - Reagen Nov 19, 10:51 10
    - hmmmm, I dunno. True someone invented ASL but it certainly has turned into a mother tongue for many. -- nm - loosilu Nov 19, 10:53 9
      - (There are a handful of native Esperanto speakers, BTW) -- nm - Reagen Nov 19, 10:55 4
        
        really? I didn't know that. -- nm - loosilu Nov 19, 10:56 3
        
        there are esperanto conferences. I imagine occasionally people meet/get married/have kids from them, and might only have esperanto in common. -- nm - mafic Nov 19, 11:00
        
        It's George Soros's, of all people, mother tongue. -- nm - Reagen Nov 19, 11:00
        
        there are esperanto conferences. I imagine occasionally people meet/get married/have kids from them, and might only have esperanto in common. -- nm - mafic Nov 19, 11:00
      - by this definition, Latin isn't a language anymore. -- nm - Reagen Nov 19, 10:54 3
        
        isn't it called a "dead" language? -- nm - loosilu Nov 19, 10:55
        
        well, it evolved into a handful of other languages ... -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 10:55 1
        
        Well someone at some time had to invent the words for Latin. It didn't just magically appear one day. -- nm - Shaun Nov 19, 10:56
- For sure. Someone had to make up the words at some point. -- nm - Shaun Nov 19, 10:48

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