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It dawns on me that David's arguement is basically Malcolm Gladwell's basis for his book Outliers. - musubi Nov 19, 15:38 1
- and are you Alistair Cooke? -- nm - Max Nov 19, 15:41
You know, for all the Roombas Woot has sold... that's the first time I've ever seen them sell individual virtual wall units. -- nm - TFox Nov 19, 15:37 1
- Yup, me too. -- nm - JaxSean Nov 19, 15:38
Somebody set up one of those delayed emailer things to remind us to revisit this in five years. -- nm - nubby Nov 19, 15:31 2
- Somebody set us up the bomb! -- nm - Reference capsule from five years *ago* Nov 19, 15:36
- TTwiki Time Capsule! -- nm - psilotum Nov 19, 15:35
Has everyone got their free Fantastic Mr. Fox tickets yet ? (just Montreal in Canada) -- (link) - Andie Nov 19, 15:29 2
- those Jimmy Buffet tickets were not available in person at Ticketmaster -- nm - 6 Nov 19, 15:30 1
  - yeah, i think it might have been online only. -- nm - Andie Nov 19, 15:31
The Twilight Saga: New moon - 10 pm Empress Walk theatre report - 6 Nov 19, 15:25
In looking up book sales re: the below, I was surprised to see that after Potter, the biggest selling series is Goosebumps. I don't know them. -- nm - Max Nov 19, 15:25 8
- There's like 100 of them. It's like Encyclopedia Brown, but more Twilight-Zone-y (for kids). -- nm - JaxSean Nov 19, 15:26 7
  - are they full-length novels? -- nm - Max Nov 19, 15:31 6
    - Short stories. Where's the list that you looked up? - JaxSean Nov 19, 15:39 1
      - wiki -- (link) - Max Nov 19, 15:43
    - No, they're tiny. nm - Dignan Nov 19, 15:31 3
      - I just imagined you reading them earnestly with your tongue poking out the edge of your mouth. Thank you for that. -- nm - Max Nov 19, 15:34 2
        
        Now I want you to imagine that tongue earnestly performing other acts. nm - Dignan Nov 19, 15:36
        
        laughing. -- nm - loosilu Nov 19, 15:35
Bioshock 2 limited edition announced. -- (link) - JaxSean Nov 19, 15:20
Mike Sims-Walker and Tim Hightower for Matt Forte and a benchwarmer. - nubby Nov 19, 15:19 3
- MSW and Hightower. - the wrong element, bad guy Nov 19, 15:33
- Dynasty? - amoxy Nov 19, 15:23 1
  - Nope. Not a keeper, either. -- nm - nubby Nov 19, 15:39
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- David makes me wonder if Twilight isn't as ephemeral as I think because he's been observing the Twilight phenomenon for months, if not years, while - Roger More Nov 19, 15:34
- It's the curse of understanding patterns and behavior so much easier than everyone else. -- nm - David Nov 19, 15:21 6
  - so you notice patterns ... have you noticed people changing lately? in large numbers, larger than possible? -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:25 3
    - Only the lizards disguised as people. -- nm - David Nov 19, 15:30 1
      - So ... no wraps, then? Ah well. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:31
    - (Also, have you been eating a lot of wraps? :) ) -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:25
  - And a humility that defies explanation, right? (nm) - musubi Nov 19, 15:23 1
    - I'll leave humility for the folks who can benefit from it. -- nm - David Nov 19, 15:24
I can't tell if the twilight discussion hinges on foresight or hindsight. - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:17 1
- oh, also: I haven't been to a movie in at least two months, maybe more. It's been mostly uninteresting dreck, or stuff that's fine on DVD. - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:24
Well if it makes anyone happy, New Moon is at 28% Rotten. -- nm - Jovian Nov 19, 15:16 1
- That must mean it doesnt have enough Jacob -- nm - Hotkiss Nov 19, 15:19
i dug today's edition of StuffDignansBossSays.com -- nm - prayformojo Nov 19, 15:06 1
- I was riding Vermin's coattails. nm - Dignan Nov 19, 15:09
Help people settle their squabbles at Instant Jury. -- (link) - mara Nov 19, 14:49
Dangit. Missed the BOC on the Wootoff. -- nm - JaxSean Nov 19, 14:37
Found this video on youtube of Thierry Henry doing more of his cheating; -- (link) - Loyola Nov 19, 14:37 [youtube] 6
- Ya ain't cheating, you ain't trying. This is why they have refs. - Will Hunting Nov 19, 15:16
- Jesus, what a dick. -- nm - Mop on iPhone Nov 19, 14:48 1
  - That's what she said. (nm) - Jesus Nov 19, 15:12
- I still can't believe the result....how did the pub react when that happened? -- nm - J Nov 19, 14:42 2
  - "Fit to kill" would be the best description. -- nm - Loyola Nov 19, 14:47
  - our crowd was ready to break things. anything really -- nm - CQ Nov 19, 14:46
There's a difference between a film series breaking out huge as a fad and one that creates a lasting legacy. - Reagen Nov 19, 14:34 76
- You're kidding yourself if you think Twilight is going away. - David Nov 19, 14:54 52
  - 5 years is probably on the low side on second thought, but I think you're both over estimating Twlilight's cultural impact and under estimating Star - Reagen Nov 19, 15:03 34
    - If/when Meyer writes more books in 10-15 years, do you honestly believe most of the fans will no longer care? -- nm - David Nov 19, 15:08 33
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        No, what I'm saying is that Star Wars gained unwarranted historical significance through a fluke...just like, well, you know. -- nm - David Nov 19, 15:27 12
        
        It's actually very similar to The Beatles in that they invented the playbook that everyone uses. - Reagen Nov 19, 15:29 11
        
        Although... I just last year saw utter madness when NKOTB came to town. That apparently never died either. -- nm - TFox Nov 19, 15:34 4
        
        My sister-in-law is *still* a huge NKOTB fan - she has bought backstage VIP experiences at least twice - Roger More Nov 19, 15:37 3
        
        She met Donnie Wahlberg?! -- nm - Will Hunting Nov 19, 15:38 2
        
        pleasepleaseplease let this be Will and not kelly... or, let it be kelly and not Will... - TFox Nov 19, 15:39 1
        
        I figure the only person who'd pay to go backstage 23 times would be one of the members. -- nm - Will Hunting Nov 19, 15:42
        
        I'm nodding in agreement but probably not for the reason you had intended. - David Nov 19, 15:31 4
        
        except your playbook doesn't get copied if there isn't something behind it. - Reagen Nov 19, 15:34 2
        
        No, it's about how the people accepted what you did next. - David Nov 19, 15:39
        
        A lot of movies could have been Star Wars, but there was never going to be another Beatles. nm - Dignan Nov 19, 15:38
        
        twilight is more like milli vanilli than nkotb, I think ... -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:32
        
        Now you've done it. nm - Dignan Nov 19, 15:31
      - The only adults still buying D&D materials are RC and his nerd friends. -- nm - Max Nov 19, 15:12
      - Yes, they'll have largely moved on. -- nm - Reagen Nov 19, 15:11 10
        
        The problem here is that you're painting the fans as universally teens. I would estimate 70% of the fanbase is over 20. - David Nov 19, 15:15 9
        
        I'm actually not. - Reagen Nov 19, 15:19 6
        
        Wait... Mrs. Reagen almost has to use force to keep Twilight books out of her book club? - Dr.Vermin Nov 19, 15:28 3
        
        Regardless of age of the audience, it doesn't mean the books or stories will have any lasting cultural impact. - musubi Nov 19, 15:32
        
        That's... what I was using that anecdote to say, yes. -- nm - Reagen Nov 19, 15:31 1
        
        How is that evidence that fans are bound to move on? -- nm - Dr.Vermin Nov 19, 15:38
        
        When Old Moon opens in 2025, I'm going to remind you of this conversation. -- nm - David Nov 19, 15:26 1
        
        Blood Moon! -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:31
        
        I've never read the books, barely know the characters names, only saw the 1st movie once and laughed my ass off. And yet I'm going to the midnight - Hotkiss Nov 19, 15:18 1
        
        i totally get this. Event movies are fun just for the event. -- nm - Andie Nov 19, 15:20
      - not really. I suspect most of the teenage girls this appeals too, would have grown up by then. - Jovian Nov 19, 15:10
      - This goes along my belief that if JK Rowling writes more books in even just 5 years, fans will no longer care. -- nm - Hotkiss Nov 19, 15:09 5
        
        If JK Rowling wrote a book about post office delivery practices in 10 years, it would sell 10 million copies the first day. -- nm - David Nov 19, 15:12 4
        
        Fans were in love with the characters and the magical world she weaved, not necessarily her specific style. -- nm - Hotkiss Nov 19, 15:13 3
        
        her next book will sell, no question. the book after *that* will depend on the next one. -- nm - Andie Nov 19, 15:14 1
        
        This is correct. To a larger point, it's hard for me to imagine any of her books not selling in that she is not just popular but gifted at her craft. -- nm - David Nov 19, 15:18
        
        true. But to your main point, if JK *ever* decides to continue the Potter books, they will all be best sellers. No question in my mind. -- nm - Jovian Nov 19, 15:14
  - 12-15 years from now it will be a blip. -- nm - Spawn Nov 19, 15:01 1
    - A 3 minute segment on VH1's "I Love 2009." -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Nov 19, 15:11
  - But the question is will Twilight last through a 2nd gen -- nm - eag Nov 19, 14:59
  - it will die a very slow death like Saw -- nm - Jovian Nov 19, 14:58
  - Do you really think it's going to create icons like Darth Vader? The John Williams score alone stands the test of time. Twilight is Romeo and Juliet - Max Nov 19, 14:56 10
    - Edward Cullen is just behind Harry Potter for character of the 2000s. - David Nov 19, 15:00 9
      - You're arguing against a point that no one's making. There's not one person that hasn't conceeded that this has been a huge money maker. - Reagen Nov 19, 15:08 7
        
        Dude, he asked if it had a Darth Vader character. It does. Arguably, it has two since the werewolf is much beloved. - David Nov 19, 15:11 6
        
        But to become a lasting cultural legacy, you need that secondary reenforcement. Witness Dan Brown and the fall off from Da Vinci Code. - Reagen Nov 19, 15:18 1
        
        We're four books in and the series has concluded on Twilight, so I don't see your point. -- nm - David Nov 19, 15:19
        
        Transformers in 15 years is a 200mil dollar opener in 6 days and not much else. - Will Hunting Nov 19, 15:14 3
        
        It's the #9 film of all time. How is that anything but exemplary? -- nm - David Nov 19, 15:16 2
        
        You're confusing short-term exemplary with long-term IMPORTANT. - Will Hunting Nov 19, 15:19 1
        
        Toy sales are toy sales. Important is a funny word to use in lieu of lucky, which is the point to all of this. - David Nov 19, 15:23
      - it is like the 300 of vampire movies, except for chicks! nm -- nm - groiny Nov 19, 15:02
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  - I think it doesn't go away, though I think it might eventually be more comparable to Rocky Horror Picture Show than Star Wars. - Callisto Nov 19, 14:55
- Ok so does Harry Potter and LOTR fit into that same category? -- nm - eag Nov 19, 14:41 5
  - LOTR certainly has a lasting legacy - it has had fans since the books came out. - Roger More Nov 19, 14:42 1
    - Plus the HP franchise I think has been handled better than the Twilight franchise - eag Nov 19, 14:50
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    - Harry Potter is an apt comparison, because what strikes me about Twilight is how the kids and so many parents (mostly moms) are into it. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Nov 19, 14:58
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- Also, the original Star Wars trilogy had to build its own fanbase from scratch. - Dignan Nov 19, 14:39 12
  - Disney sci-fi was a novel concept that was easily marketable. Twilight had to stand out in a saturated market of gothic romance stories. - David Nov 19, 14:57 5
    - I'm simply saying that the movie dies on the vine without the established book audience. nm - Dignan Nov 19, 15:01 2
      - Star Wars had the benefit of an exponentially easier marketplace. Every theater in the country wanted to run it for a year. That doesn't happen now. - David Nov 19, 15:06 1
        
        I'm not knocking the success of the books. - Dignan Nov 19, 15:15
    - Did the first movie's worldwide numbers outpace domestic by that much? -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:59 1
      - No, it was one to one. The film wound up with $191 million domestically and $191 million internationally. - David Nov 19, 15:01
  - they went to a lot of scifi & comic conventions the year before the first one came out -- nm - peglegpete Nov 19, 14:48 5
    - All nine of them? nm - Dignan Nov 19, 14:52 4
      - their marketing was very ahead of the curve, in the same way Lucas had the foresight to retain merchandising rights -- nm - giganto Nov 19, 14:58 3
        
        Still, this would have been a fraction of its eventual fanbase. nm - Dignan Nov 19, 15:02 2
        
        yeah but for a movie that was expected to be a Fox-killing flop, it was crucial in laying the groundwork -- nm - giganto Nov 19, 15:05
        
        (and I would include the marketing as "building a fanbase from scratch.") nm - Dignan Nov 19, 15:04
- Which will make it's fall from grace and into shame and embaressm -- nm - Mop on iPhone Nov 19, 14:38 1
  - -ment all the greater. -- nm - Mop on iPhone Nov 19, 14:38
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- *ding* -- nm - znufrii Nov 19, 14:34
David : I agree with you, but I am shocked he got any votes..... - groiny Nov 19, 14:33 8
- I'm shocked that people went off Big 3 with all their votes. - Will Hunting Nov 19, 15:13 5
  - We're talking about 4 third place votes ouf 28, so few did. -- nm - David Nov 19, 15:16 4
    - That still means 1 in 7 voters would think he's better than Carp/Linc/Wain - Will Hunting Nov 19, 15:21 3
      - I think there's a good arguement that Vazquez was every bit as good as Wainwright. (nm) - musubi Nov 19, 15:25 1
        
        They're about even, but Wainwright was a bit better. I'm glad Vazzie got some love, though. -- nm - David Nov 19, 15:30
      - My guess is that it's folks who want to recognize others, anticipating a Carpenter/Lincecum battle for first. Wainwright wasn't supposed to be a facto -- nm - David Nov 19, 15:24
- It'll make me sick if we trade him. -- nm - David Nov 19, 14:48 1
  - Like it made me sick when we moved him. - groiny Nov 19, 14:56
The diaries contain the secret of who is mafic's real father. Let's speculate... - Mop on iPhone Nov 19, 14:33
puzzle for you -- (link) - Zorkturi Nov 19, 14:33
Those People of Walmart pics are just out and out mean -- nm - amoxy Nov 19, 14:33 7
- Reading this site makes me feel like Wasilla is a hotbed of style and sophistication. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Nov 19, 14:52
- I loved the car one formonths ago. -- nm - Spawn Nov 19, 14:48 1
  - from. months. -- nm - Spawn Nov 19, 14:49
- A lot of the time, yes. But sometimes ... sometimes, thar be gold in them thar hills. -- (link) - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:48
- today was my first time looking at one, and I'm planning it to be the only time. - b. Nov 19, 14:34
- I know! Why must the ugly and morbidly obese expose themselves to my eyes? -- nm - Mop on iPhone Nov 19, 14:34 1
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It's cold. And almost dark ar 4:30 -- nm - ty97 Nov 19, 14:31
(Also: BSG season 4: B-/C+) nm - Dignan Nov 19, 14:31
Tasty gem from *my* (french) boss: "They're trying to fuck me in the foot." nm - Dignan Nov 19, 14:30 9
- your boss knows Quentin Tarantino? -- nm - Reagen Nov 19, 14:36 3
  - the feet thing in his movies is really starting to annoy me. - Epiphany Nov 19, 14:49 1
    - Agreed -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:50
  - He may have picked it up from Uma Thurman. nm - Dignan Nov 19, 14:40
- Better than in the ear, I suppose... -- nm - Mop on iPhone Nov 19, 14:35 1
  - the ears make better handles. nm -- nm - groiny Nov 19, 14:36
- If she was wearing peep toes, she was asking for it. -- nm - Max Nov 19, 14:35
- I say that all the time -- nm - Ziva Nov 19, 14:31
- "this mix and match shit has got to go" -- nm - groiny Nov 19, 14:30

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