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In response to "Chump change. 500k with 1M in incentives. (nm)" by musubi

oh, and I value WHIP much higher than that BAPIP shit. nm -- nm

Posted by groiny (aka groiny) Nov 25 '09, 14:36

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I'm not saying you shouldn't. But BABIP adds to the picture. - musubi Nov 25, 14:40 12
- there are 30 pitchers in baseball this year who pitched 175+ innings with a WHIP better than his. - groiny Nov 25, 14:42 11
  - I'm not saying he was Cy Young. He had an off year. It doesn't take advance metrics to see that. - musubi Nov 25, 14:57 9
    - you were comparing him to the top 3 on the Cards, and I simply - groiny Nov 25, 14:59 8
      - I didn't compare him. Will did. I don't think he's as good as Carp or Wainwright by *any* stretch. But he's not bad. - musubi Nov 25, 15:04 7
        
        ok, but you did say, despite his awful run in the post season, that you wouldpitch him over Myers.... - groiny Nov 25, 15:06 6
        
        Hell yes. Myers is a mediocre pitcher and beats his gifrlfirend. Hamels is *way* better than him. - musubi Nov 25, 15:10 5
        
        2009: Hamels ERA 4.32, WHIP 1.29 , Myers ERA 4.87, WHIP 1.37 - musubi Nov 25, 15:19 4
        
        did you even WATCH the playoffs? nm -- nm - groiny Nov 25, 15:20 3
        
        He was pretty terrible. I'd still bet on him being better than Myers *any* day of the week. - musubi Nov 25, 15:24 2
        
        he got shelled every start since the playoffs started. - groiny Nov 25, 15:27 1
        
        Benching Hamels for Myers would be like Guy benching Pujols for being on a 0-25 streak. - musubi Nov 25, 15:31
  - upon further review make it 40 with 160+ innings. nm -- nm - groiny Nov 25, 14:45
Sometimes, people link to fangraphs and it's all I can do not to laugh at some of their "stats". -- nm - David Nov 25, 14:37 20
- I think BABIP tells a story. - groiny Nov 25, 14:38 19
  - You're right, BABIP alone tells you absolutely nothing about a pitcher. - musubi Nov 25, 14:42 6
    - I just don't get how it helps anything. - groiny Nov 25, 14:43 5
      - See you're already getting it. Like you note, it tells you a bit about the defense behind a pitcher and about luck. - musubi Nov 25, 14:47 4
        
        I can tell that by watching a game and followoing a team. - the liiioulu with coffee and extra i Nov 25, 14:58 2
        
        *pats head* Ok, sure. (nm) - musubi Nov 25, 15:03 1
        
        Cubs Fan, clearly. nm -- nm - groiny Nov 25, 15:04
        
        well, a 1.29 WHIP is not horrible, all things considered. - groiny Nov 25, 14:49
  - In the particular case of Cole Hamels, it wasn't a fluke that he got hit so hard this year. Anyone who watched him knows his stuff wasn't as good. - David Nov 25, 14:40 11
    - As good as 2008, no probably not. But it was almost identical to 2007. - musubi Nov 25, 14:44 10
      - This is that Pedro Astacio nonsense all over again. -- nm - David Nov 25, 14:52 3
        
        No, it's really more like your Babe Ruth nonsense, again. (nm) - musubi Nov 25, 15:07 2
        
        I don't recall ever talking up Babe Ruth's strikeout tally. -- nm - David Nov 25, 15:08
        
        ooh, this is getting good! nm -- nm - groiny Nov 25, 15:07
      - strikeouts were not the problem, giving up frozen ropes all over the field was. nm -- nm - groiny Nov 25, 14:46 5
        
        Actually it wasn't. He gave up 20.8% line drives in 2009. In 2008, his banner year? 21.8% (nm) - musubi Nov 25, 14:50 4
        
        he had a gold glover at SS, and a potential GG at 3rd. - groiny Nov 25, 14:51 3
        
        First, surely you'll acknowledge, that just by luck (hello BABIP) even good fielders can't get to all line drives right? - musubi Nov 25, 14:54 2
        
        what stat tells you this? nm -- nm - groiny Nov 25, 14:55 1
        
        1) My eyes. He takes weird routes to balls, particularly in center. - musubi Nov 25, 15:00

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