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In response to "Sometimes, people link to fangraphs and it's all I can do not to laugh at some of their "stats". -- nm" by David

I think BABIP tells a story.

Posted by groiny (aka groiny) Nov 25 '09, 14:38

but the story is not all that indicitive of what the quality of a pitcher the person is.

You can walk 100 guys, give up 40 homers, and whiff 50, and have a BAPIP of .250

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You're right, BABIP alone tells you absolutely nothing about a pitcher. - musubi Nov 25, 14:42 6
- I just don't get how it helps anything. - groiny Nov 25, 14:43 5
  - See you're already getting it. Like you note, it tells you a bit about the defense behind a pitcher and about luck. - musubi Nov 25, 14:47 4
    - I can tell that by watching a game and followoing a team. - the liiioulu with coffee and extra i Nov 25, 14:58 2
      - *pats head* Ok, sure. (nm) - musubi Nov 25, 15:03 1
        
        Cubs Fan, clearly. nm -- nm - groiny Nov 25, 15:04
    - well, a 1.29 WHIP is not horrible, all things considered. - groiny Nov 25, 14:49
In the particular case of Cole Hamels, it wasn't a fluke that he got hit so hard this year. Anyone who watched him knows his stuff wasn't as good. - David Nov 25, 14:40 11
- As good as 2008, no probably not. But it was almost identical to 2007. - musubi Nov 25, 14:44 10
  - This is that Pedro Astacio nonsense all over again. -- nm - David Nov 25, 14:52 3
    - No, it's really more like your Babe Ruth nonsense, again. (nm) - musubi Nov 25, 15:07 2
      - I don't recall ever talking up Babe Ruth's strikeout tally. -- nm - David Nov 25, 15:08
      - ooh, this is getting good! nm -- nm - groiny Nov 25, 15:07
  - strikeouts were not the problem, giving up frozen ropes all over the field was. nm -- nm - groiny Nov 25, 14:46 5
    - Actually it wasn't. He gave up 20.8% line drives in 2009. In 2008, his banner year? 21.8% (nm) - musubi Nov 25, 14:50 4
      - he had a gold glover at SS, and a potential GG at 3rd. - groiny Nov 25, 14:51 3
        
        First, surely you'll acknowledge, that just by luck (hello BABIP) even good fielders can't get to all line drives right? - musubi Nov 25, 14:54 2
        
        what stat tells you this? nm -- nm - groiny Nov 25, 14:55 1
        
        1) My eyes. He takes weird routes to balls, particularly in center. - musubi Nov 25, 15:00

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I think BABIP tells a story.

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