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A couple things that are bugging me about the whole global warming debate.

Posted by Dano (aka dano) Dec 8 '09, 10:22

#1 is how it's totally taken over the environmentalism debate. You can't seem to separate any environmental issue from it any more. There are reasons to do a lot of things that would still be relevant even if global warming were absolutely not an issue, but everything gets couched in terms of the world is going to end because of global warming and it contaminates the issue.

#2 is people who say that there is no debate about it any more. That's just so anti-science. Remember at one point there was no debate that the Earth was the center of the universe. There is always new data to look at and adjustments or even complete reversals of theories when they don't fit the new data.

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Word. -- nm - Loyola Dec 8, 10:53
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- It's similar to what some say about vaccines: prove that it doesn't make anyone sick, or just keep researching the shit out of it. -- nm - TFox Dec 8, 10:44 7
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    - But evolution is a theory. It's the theory that best fits the data as we know, but it is just a theory. -- nm - Dano Dec 8, 10:55 4
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        Let's just keep our eyes open to possible new data that might fly in the face of current dogma is all I'm saying. -- nm - Dano Dec 8, 10:58 2
        
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        i think you have not understood the process of peer review -- nm - Danedukenuuk Dec 8, 10:59
  - since vaccine is about mass one instance has no meaning - Danedukenuuk Dec 8, 10:45
#1 is redundant and #2 simply not true - Danedukenuuk Dec 8, 10:41 2
- psst. It's not really called Global Warming any more, it's Global Climate Crisis ... - Beryllium Dec 8, 10:49 1
  - being green is actually in many cases good business - Danedukenuuk Dec 8, 10:52
Has ST seen this: Climate scientists accused of manipulating global warming data -- (link) - Beaker Dec 8, 10:33 15
- Old news by now. Why don't climate change deniers get nailed for manipulating data, though? -- nm - Mop (230 lbs) Dec 8, 10:41 1
  - Inner turmoil sells better than external attacks -- nm - Beryllium Dec 8, 10:52
- bien sure - Danedukenuuk Dec 8, 10:37
- I think this was on the Daily Show. -- nm - JaxSean Dec 8, 10:36 1
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- /ignores story/ -- nm - NBC, CBS, ABC News Dec 8, 10:35 9
  - well, the whole thing is based on one hacked email from 1999. -- nm - mafic Dec 8, 10:37 6
    - from a single institute i might add -- nm - Danedukenuuk Dec 8, 10:46
    - No, thousands. -- (link) - Agent.Vermin Dec 8, 10:39 2
      - I see one quote in this article that is reprehensible. That they privately discussed ways to rebut "disinformation" is not a scandal - Guigue Dec 8, 10:46
      - yes, I know thousands were stolen, but they don't actually show any grand data-interfering conspiracy if you know the context. - mafic Dec 8, 10:45
    - There's a lot more than one e-mail at issue here. -- nm - Ender Dec 8, 10:39 1
      - I'm sorry, out of context quotes from several emails. -- nm - mafic Dec 8, 10:41
  - It's been broadcast nationally in Canada, several times -- nm - Beryllium Dec 8, 10:35 1
    - I'm glad. -- nm - Agent.Vermin Dec 8, 10:36
I concur on both points. Especially #1 - now if you don't believe that the apocolypse is coming, you hate the environment. - Agent.Vermin Dec 8, 10:32 6
- the problem is no weather there is debate or not the problem is - Danedukenuuk Dec 8, 10:42 5
  - Heh. "We need to be DOING something while we figure out what the problem is!" - Agent.Vermin Dec 8, 10:53 4
    - Well, I agree that it logically doesn't compute when presented that way. - Beryllium Dec 8, 10:56 2
      - I'm all for new light bulbs. I'm not for new taxes on energy. -- nm - Agent.Vermin Dec 8, 10:57
      - of course... - znufrii Dec 8, 10:57
    - what if the alternative is "We know what the problem is, but we should've been doing something 30 years ago to fix it, now we're f*cked" - znufrii Dec 8, 10:55
I think I've said it a few times here, but what bugs me is the race for the scariest stats - Guigue Dec 8, 10:31 7
- most studies come for some sort of institue and are named, anonymous studies are junk science -- nm - Danedukenuuk Dec 8, 10:44 6
  - Well if some sort of institute says so... - Guigue Dec 8, 10:49 5
    - thatt why they invented this UN institution that tries to get a combined lookout on what is going on - Danedukenuuk Dec 8, 10:54
    - put your faith in peer-reviewed studies, not think-tank press releases. -- nm - znufrii Dec 8, 10:52 3
      - I think I'm mostly annoyed at newspaper who print anything as long as it scares people a little more than the last news -- nm - Guigue Dec 8, 10:54 2
        
        i dou't anything the papers can print can be more scary than reality - Danedukenuuk Dec 8, 10:56
        
        well, yes. -- nm - znufrii Dec 8, 10:55
Yeah, #1 bothers me too. We should take care of our surroundings regardless of impending doom. -- nm - Inigo Dec 8, 10:29 1
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whatever happened to "save the rainforests"? -- nm - Beryllium Dec 8, 10:25 2
- saving the rainforrest combats global warming -- nm - Danedukenuuk Dec 8, 10:47
- I think I'm getting my mom and stepdad an acre of rainforest for Christmas. - TFox Dec 8, 10:27
It seems to me that we are on some road to energy independence, because corporations here have taken steps in that direction -- nm - con_carne Dec 8, 10:25 1
- it's simply good business to combat global warming and GWC's -- nm - Danedukenuuk Dec 8, 10:48

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