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FWIW, I look at global warming the same way I looked at WMDs in Iraq.

Posted by Dano (aka dano) Dec 17 '09, 17:47

Yes there's evidence and reason for concern, and we should definitely be taking steps to address it, but there seems to be a group screaming panic and we must do something drastic immediately or else the world is going to end. They also seem to be trying to suppress debate and discount any opposing evidence out of hand. Just like I thought with Iraq I think there should be a more measured approach here.

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also re zorks comment that "we will likely never know how much influence, if any, we have had." - Guy Dec 17, 18:24
when 'playing it safe' doesn't involves countless billions in waste, unneccessary deaths and the invasion of another country - why not play it safe??? -- nm - Guy Dec 17, 18:16 3
- well, it could mean that some measures are unnecessary, which could involve billions in waste. -- nm - Loosi Lou Who Dec 17, 18:17 2
  - most of the measures I've read about are neccessary for reasons beyond global warming -- nm - Guy Dec 17, 18:18 1
    - I have no specific argument here, I'm just speculating. -- nm - Loosi Lou Who Dec 17, 18:18
i have no idea if the deniers' own science is any good or if they're the equivaent of Holocaust deniers, which no historian is obligated to give - mr. squiggles Dec 17, 18:07 1
- or creationists. -- nm - Loosi Lou Who Dec 17, 18:09
the future effects of global warming can't be known for sure... knowing there are WMDs in Iraq before claming it should have been known for sure -- nm - stewie Dec 17, 18:03
I'm always willing to listen to arguments, but they always seem to come down to "Why do we still have winter?" and "Al Gore flies private planes!" -- nm - Reagen Dec 17, 17:55 11
- It also bothers me that there seems to be two sides to an issue that I can't imagine being binary and both sides have dug in. -- nm - Dano Dec 17, 18:06 9
  - tobacco companies paid doctors to proclaim cigarettes safe and create the "controversy" over whether they really caused cancer when there was no - mr. squiggles Dec 17, 18:09 8
    - this is exactly like creationism v. evolution. There is no legitimate scientific debate there. -- nm - Loosi Lou Who Dec 17, 18:12 7
      - And yet science does not equal politics. - ReluctantCynic Dec 17, 18:21 6
        
        There's another trap some people fall into, which is that if enough people believe a scientific theory, it becomes true. - Loosi Lou Who Dec 17, 18:23 5
        
        Absolutely. Science is not a democracy. - ReluctantCynic Dec 17, 18:29 2
        
        ahhh.... whereas the other side is using political arguments. They're speaking different languages. -- nm - Loosi Lou Who Dec 17, 18:30 1
        
        Precisely. It's like the Tower of Babel all over again. -- nm - ReluctantCynic Dec 17, 18:32
        
        This is where the attacks on Gore tend to come from as well, as if somehow if they can take down "the prophet", the belief falls apart. - Reagen Dec 17, 18:25 1
        
        yes, very much so. -- nm - Loosi Lou Who Dec 17, 18:26
- Agreed. I'm discouraged by a scientific argument that seems to be based on politics. -- nm - Loosi Lou Who Dec 17, 17:56
My approach is I can make little changes in our lifestyle to help minimize the "bad stuff" we emit, no big deal. But you can't turn the Titanic 90�. - JaxSean Dec 17, 17:54
Uhm, too much of the opposition is trying to discuss the issue without using scientific research. - the liioulu without fruitcake Dec 17, 17:54

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