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In response to "The whole Health care bill passage has really diminished the power of the Presidency in my eyes." by Loyola

I think a big factor has been that (as with the stimulus package) Obama allowed Congress to write the legislation, rather than putting forward his own

Posted by Roger More (aka RogerMore) Dec 22 '09, 09:40

proposal

I'm sure he has reasons for that - wanting to avoid the problems that shut down Hillarycare for one, and perhaps also to change the relationship and roles of the executive and legislative branches from what they were during the Bush years.

But the downside (for the President) in doing this is that you lose a lot of control over the process and appear to be ineffective when things don't happen quickly.

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He proved he's a rookie. Either he's not learned how to lead; or he's bereft of ideas on how to. - Will Hunting Dec 22, 09:44 5
- I think he knew from the word go that what he wants to do is different than what he is able to do. - znufrii Dec 22, 09:58
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  - Of course, cuz he helped fubar the debate for the last 8 months. - Will Hunting Dec 22, 09:54 2
    - Are you referring to his backpedaling on the poublic option? That's tough. - con_carne Dec 22, 09:59 1
      - He had no plan all along. He wrote a mission statement and let Reid and Pelosi do details. Those 2 bumbling assclowns couldn't come up with plans on - Will Hunting Dec 22, 10:06
Even if he had put forward his own proposal, it would have been gutted by the Senate so as to render it unrecognisable from Obama's original - Loyola Dec 22, 09:43

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