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Of course that makes sense..... "Harper can't rule out carbon tax" -- (link)

Posted by Name Withheld By Request (aka BlueKopo) Dec 22 '09, 11:42

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Yes, the headline is flashier than the guts of the story - and a carbon tax makes sense if we're going to do this - but for Harper to do it would be spectacularly hypocritical. (www.torontosun.com)

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I hate that Ontario is thinking about selling the LCBO (liquor control board). It *makes* the province about $1.5B a year. Selling it is very short - zork Dec 22, 11:47 25
- The world will be destroyed in less than 2 years now - why think long-term? -- nm - Fiiiiiiive Cuzzin Todds Dec 22, 11:51
- Why should the gov't still be involved in the sale of liquor? You need a reason beyond, "It makes money." - Name Withheld By Request Dec 22, 11:51 23
  - I prefer that liquor sales not be in the hands of someone who is purely motivated by profit and is more likely to turn down intoxicated shoppers. plus - zork Dec 22, 12:01 2
    - Let's think about this one a little bit: One situation in two settings.... - Name Withheld By Request Dec 22, 12:06 1
      - you are missing something though, in private enterprise, those small stores are usually run by the owners... - Elf Andie Dec 22, 12:12
  - i would be totally fine with the government opening up a Tim Hortons if it was well managed. -- nm - Elf Andie Dec 22, 11:57 5
    - You don't think that's a little outside the mandate given a government by the constitution? -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Dec 22, 12:01 3
      - it is, i suppose, but governments invest in all sorts of things to make money, why not just a simple business? -- nm - Elf Andie Dec 22, 12:03 1
        
        Because typically there's another underlying philosophy behind it. (Think: "We're getting more jobs/investing where the private sector wouldn't.") -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Dec 22, 12:08
      - You'll beg the Queen for your Crown Royal, or you'll GTFO. -- nm - Beryllium Dec 22, 12:02
    - I would be fine with the goverment opening up a Tim Hortons that was badly managed, just to watch the documentary about it. -- nm - Beryllium Dec 22, 11:58
  - There's a lot of evidence that it's reduced costs and increased selection for Ontario. - Reagen Dec 22, 11:54 10
    - There's been more than a few studies suggesting otherwise as well, so it's a point of debate, but I'm talking about the underlying belief system... - Name Withheld By Request Dec 22, 11:58 8
      - I'm with Andie. If it's efficiently run, I don't see the problem. -- nm - Reagen Dec 22, 12:00
      - Why should Doctors be the only ones who can prescribe morphine and heroin? -- nm - Beryllium Dec 22, 12:00 3
        
        Because they are trained and knowledgable about the proper administrating and dosage of them? -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Dec 22, 12:02 2
        
        and you've heard of "alcohol poisoning", right? -- nm - Beryllium Dec 22, 12:03 1
        
        Of course I have, but 99% of the people who serve alcohol in Ontario are not government workers. - Name Withheld By Request Dec 22, 12:10
      - because it is a less painful way for the government to make money and not raise taxes? -- nm - TFox Dec 22, 11:59 2
        
        They can tax alcohol sales -- nm - Roger More Dec 22, 12:01 1
        
        they still do. They keep the taxes *and* the profits -- nm - zork Dec 22, 12:04
    - Though whenever I go to Quebec, I always bring back several bottles of wines etc, because I find the variety there is much better - Roger More Dec 22, 11:58
  - To clarify: That's the *retail* side of liquor I'm speaking on. Even I believe some regulatory powers are needed. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Dec 22, 11:53
  - Why shouldn't it? Crown corporations rock! -- nm - Mop (229 lbs) Dec 22, 11:52 1
    - They do. (*curses the death of BC Tel and the privatization of Petro Canada*) heheh -- nm - Beryllium Dec 22, 12:01
HA! -- nm - Mop (229 lbs) Dec 22, 11:46
Only Nixon can go to China... -- nm - Roger More Dec 22, 11:43 7
- "I know who the Vulcan Ambassador is damnit!" -- nm - Remlik Dec 22, 11:54 2
  - Beat ya! -- nm - David Dec 22, 11:56 1
    - I know damnit. -- nm - Remlik Dec 22, 11:57
- "I'd give real money if he'd shut up." -- nm - David Dec 22, 11:47
- (I would say that if there isn't sufficient political will in Europe to implement a carbon tax, the chances of Canada or the US adopting one are nil) -- nm - Roger More Dec 22, 11:44 2
  - I'm more than a little flabbergasted how so many who preach, "Follow the science!" on climate change cannot accept that the economists are right.... - Name Withheld By Request Dec 22, 11:48 1
    - "It's everyone else's fault, why should we pay for it?" -- nm - Roger More Dec 22, 11:51

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