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In response to "I'd vote for Blyleven, Alomar, Larkin, Raines and Smith. -- nm" by Krusty

I ain't voting for a closer ever if they weren't automatic (Hoffman and Rivera are my only 2 actives who merit it)

Posted by Will Hunting (aka JoeMetz) Jan 6 '10, 09:50

I need convincing on Larkin since he had an incomplete career due to injuries and general uninspiring numbers.

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I'm kinda on the fence about Lee Smith. His numbers are a lot better than I remember him. - musubi Jan 6, 09:53 4
- My comments to Krusty.....WHIP matters most to me there. - Will Hunting Jan 6, 09:56 3
  - You make very good points but I think I'd still give a vote to Smith. -- nm - Krusty Jan 6, 10:01
  - That's what I'm talking about. At his peak, his WHIP was 1.219. That's certainly better than I remember him. (nm) - musubi Jan 6, 10:01 1
    - For me, most HOF pitchers's WHIP iirc is about 1.25. But that's starting pitchers. - Will Hunting Jan 6, 10:03
Why won't you vote for a closer? - Krusty Jan 6, 09:52 10
- There's been far too many closers who pile up huge save #'s without it meaning anything (Armando Benitez was the %-rate leader for a while) - Will Hunting Jan 6, 09:55 3
  - Hell, I'd consider Billy Wagner ahead of Lee Smith. - Will Hunting Jan 6, 10:01 2
    - I'd agree with that. He's another borderline candidate that I think ends up outside looking in. (nm) - musubi Jan 6, 10:03 1
      - Yep. Like I said, only 2 right now are Hoff & Rivera. -- nm - Will Hunting Jan 6, 10:04
- It's only the most over-rated position in professional sports. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Jan 6, 09:55 3
  - I disagree, not everyone can do it, a lot of people can't take the pressure of being a closer. - Krusty Jan 6, 09:57 1
    - Not everyone can, in the sense that not everyone can be a good MLB reliever. - musubi Jan 6, 10:07
  - No kidding. Give *any* MLB pitcher a 2-run lead with only 3 outs to get and I bet they get the job done a lot more often than not. -- nm - Shaun Jan 6, 09:56
- I misread your post, so you wouldn't vote for them unless they were automatic? - Krusty Jan 6, 09:53 1
  - I don't really think there's any concept of save #'s to actual quality yet. - Will Hunting Jan 6, 09:57

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