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NWBR...I think McGwire's admission he used throughout his career invalidates pretty much his entire career. He was getting 20-25% with there being

Posted by Will Hunting (aka JoeMetz) Jan 11 '10, 12:30

some grey area...now he's admitted his primary reason he was in the mix for HOF anyhow was tainted...he's done.

He ain't even Palmeiro who also has 3000 hits to fall back on as a sign of his 'talent'.

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I think any player that admits to using performance enhancing drugs or is caught should have all of his numbers removed from the books. - Krusty Jan 11, 13:03 2
- So to play devil's advocate, you'd rather that players didn't admit to anything and we just live with the gossip about them? -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Jan 11, 13:09 1
  - No, I wouldn't want that but I don't want them included with the other players that got their numbers without the assistance of illegal performance - Krusty Jan 11, 13:13
How long have we waited for this? - OAE Jan 11, 12:56 3
- Is that your new catch phrase? -- nm - Reagen Jan 11, 12:57 2
  - "That'll move the chains!" -- nm - TFox Jan 11, 12:58 1
    - "That's a dealbreaker ladies!!!" -- nm - Diva Jan 11, 12:59
I don't see any of the existing writers who vote for him not voting for him now and I could see a large percentage of the others being converted.... - Name Withheld By Request Jan 11, 12:39 15
- Coming clean didn't help Rose. -- nm - Ender Jan 11, 12:47 3
  - Different situation - unless MLB plans to ban MacGwire. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Jan 11, 12:54
  - Now that's one hell of a taint -- nm - con_carne Jan 11, 12:48 1
    - That's what she said -- nm - oblique Jan 11, 12:49
- His main (only) real claim to fame has been undercut by illegal methods. -- nm - Will Hunting Jan 11, 12:42 3
  - But not against the rules of baseball during the time of infractions. - Name Withheld By Request Jan 11, 12:46 2
    - They very well could be illegal; not just against baseball's rules. Like, you should have gone to jail illegal. -- nm - Will Hunting Jan 11, 12:48 1
      - We'll see how it plays out, I guess. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Jan 11, 12:56
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  - We'll see. Hitters from the era will be going in, and once Ken Griffy Jr's in, who's next that doesn't have some taint? -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Jan 11, 12:43 5
    - Frank Thomas, Jim Thome, Biggio, Jeter, Ichiro, Delgado, Pujols - Will Hunting Jan 11, 12:46 2
      - We'll see. While some of these guys are definitely in, others like Biggio isn't completely free from doubt and Delgado's not going in. - Name Withheld By Request Jan 11, 12:53 1
        
        If Delgado gets another 25 homers, he'd be a 500 homer guy without much roid talk. - Will Hunting Jan 11, 12:56
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    - hee -- nm - Reagen Jan 11, 12:44
Well I think he probably knew it was a longshot to get voted in - eag Jan 11, 12:32
Counterpoint: you say "grey area", I say "virtually guaranteed to have been using, plus basically lying about it". - TFox Jan 11, 12:32
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- Yeah. Bonds will have the added 5-tool talent he carried the first 12 years he was in the league before he ballooned. -- nm - Will Hunting Jan 11, 12:31 1
  - And thats the pisser about bonds. he had the raw skills -- nm - budice Jan 11, 12:36
can we force him to change his name to Hams-For-Arms? -- nm - Beryllium Jan 11, 12:31

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