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McGwire almost assuredly won't get in to the HOF now. I think that sucks. (nm)

Posted by musubi Jan 11 '10, 13:13

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I was a big fan, and I think it's the right thing. just because a set of players did it and ptbs knew about it doesn't make it ok. - b. Jan 11, 13:20 5
- I don't think it was "ok" that he did it. Not at all. But at the same time it wasn't against the rules. - musubi Jan 11, 13:30 4
  - the rules thing is the only part that may be an out for me. that's at least somewhat countered by the hiding and the obfuscation and sometimes - b. Jan 11, 13:33 3
    - They all knew it wasn't "ok". There's no question in my mind about that. But baseball - musubi Jan 11, 13:37
    - playing in Coors field as a hitter should also keep you out of the hall. - groiny Jan 11, 13:34 1
      - This factor actually probably does hurt Larry Walker's candidacy. - musubi Jan 11, 13:42
if you don't let him in, then no Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, or anyone tainted by roids -- nm - fatsquatch Jan 11, 13:15 5
- or ARod -- nm - stewie Jan 11, 13:31
- that would be fine by me, but: without the roids, McGwire's Dave Kingman. Most of those other guys had a case before the roids. -- nm - Reagen Jan 11, 13:26 3
  - Fair enough. Kong had a viable argument for the HOF though. (nm) - musubi Jan 11, 13:38
  - For me, Bonds career ends in 1998. Clemens in 1996. - Will Hunting Jan 11, 13:28 1
    - Yup. -- nm - Krusty Jan 11, 13:33
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- He didn't cheat the game any more than Gaylord Perry did using a spitball. - musubi Jan 11, 13:20 2
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    - Fair nuff. - musubi Jan 11, 13:40
- It doesn't seem fair at all! - Cuzzin Todd Jan 11, 13:18
Why does that suck? -- nm - Will Hunting Jan 11, 13:14 20
- Because it's hypocrisy. - musubi Jan 11, 13:17 19
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    - In a weird way, yes. (nm) - musubi Jan 11, 13:22
    - keep in mind, at the time, it was not banned in baseball. - groiny Jan 11, 13:21 6
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        Then how do you know who *was* doing it? The only way to know is if people are open and honest. - musubi Jan 11, 13:26 2
        
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        That's why I think it sucks. (nm) - musubi Jan 11, 13:33
        
        noone knows how many were doing it at the time - groiny Jan 11, 13:24
        
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  - Well, with this admission, he won't get in becuase of his play. -- nm - Will Hunting Jan 11, 13:17 8
    - yep. - b. Jan 11, 13:22 7
      - I don't even think McGwire was that good before. - Will Hunting Jan 11, 13:23 6
        
        You are just wrong there. (nm) - musubi Jan 11, 13:28
        
        maybe not tippy top; but, iirc, he went to the all-star games early on and got some mvp votes.-- nm - b. Jan 11, 13:27 4
        
        Becuase he was a long ball hitter. That doesn't make him good hitting .230 - Will Hunting Jan 11, 13:29 2
        
        looking at his numbers overall... he was good enough. nm but: -- (link) - b. Jan 11, 13:34
        
        You're tying his worth to his batting average, when clearly on-base is the more important stat? - musubi Jan 11, 13:32
        
        .235 with 49 homers and 100 walks was a fine season in 1989. nm -- nm - groiny Jan 11, 13:28

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