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In response to "The problem with "putting the fear of God" into the pirates is that you have to put enough fear to counteract the desperation of their situation" by Beryllium

Oh quit with the "They're only doing it because they are desperate," stuff. There are millions of desperate people in the world. Most don't resort..

Posted by Name Withheld By Request (aka BlueKopo) Nov 19 '08, 10:25

...To crime or violence to help their situation and excusing those that do only insults those who don't.

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I'm simply applying the same logic that is used to recruit teens into inner-city gangs. Because that's exactly what's happening in Somalia. - Beryllium Nov 19, 10:28 22
- Well, I dunno about Vancouver gangs, but Winnipeg teen gang members are usually doing it for fun and profit more than "I had no other choice." - Name Withheld By Request Nov 19, 10:30 5
  - I'd just call it a different kind of desperation, especially if I saw the rest of my life stretching before me in a shitty, dead-end job. -- nm - mafic Nov 19, 10:32 1
    - Again, the vast vast majority of those in such a situation do not resort to crime. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 19, 10:48
  - Did you ever watch the first Ninja Turtles movie? -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 10:31 2
    - I applaud this post for bringing a smile to an otherwise deadly serious thread. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 19, 10:34 1
      - Except it does have basis in reality: A gang is an organization. A tribe is an organization. A corporation is an organization. - Beryllium Nov 19, 10:36
- Somalia is COMPLETELY different. -- nm - loosilu Nov 19, 10:28 15
  - Non-governmental civil war has lead to a Warlord-state, right? How is that different? -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 10:30 7
    - how is that like America, exactly? or even Afghanistan? -- nm - loosilu Nov 19, 10:30 6
      - The warlord-state. That's what gangs are. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 10:31 5
        
        the last I checked, the US does in fact have a government. -- nm - loosilu Nov 19, 10:33 4
        
        technically, so does somalia. its control just doesn't really extend to where the gangs operate. -- nm - mafic Nov 19, 10:35
        
        So ... because America has a government, and Somalia does not, you refuse to see any similarity between gangs and tribes? - Beryllium Nov 19, 10:35 2
        
        if you really think it is the same, this discussion can go nowhere. -- nm - loosilu Nov 19, 10:38 1
        
        There's no good guys and there's no bad guys. It's just ... it's just a bunch of guys. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 10:39
  - yeah. more guns, less food. -- nm - mafic Nov 19, 10:29 6
    - and a lot less government. -- nm - loosilu Nov 19, 10:30 5
      - and far longer history of far more intense tribalism. - Mel Profit Nov 19, 10:32 4
        
        yep, in other words ... totally different. -- nm - loosilu Nov 19, 10:33 3
        
        it's a difference in scale rather than structure, but the underlying dynamic is similar, is it not? -- nm - znufrii Nov 19, 10:37 2
        
        I do not think so. -- nm - loosilu Nov 19, 10:38 1
        
        It would make a very interesting sociological paper, I think... -- nm - znufrii Nov 19, 10:44
they're doing it because they can. there is no law enforcement. -- nm - loosilu Nov 19, 10:26
I agree with Name Withheld By Request-cumber. -- nm - TWuG Nov 19, 10:26
Well, to all the people who want a non-governmental Anarchist state, they should look to Somalia as a reason against it. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 10:26

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