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ok, work ethical dilemma (sp?) - interested to hear what people think [especially certain people here]

Posted by prayformojo (aka mayhem) Nov 19 '08, 12:24

mary is a decidedly subpar employee.
quality of work is bad, her attitude is worse.
everyone who has any level of contact with her would agree that her being employed hurts the institution. it would be better off for all involved if she no longer worked here.

you learn through roundabout yet entirely credible means that mary will be fired by the end of the year if she does not produce a certain thing. let's say it's a certain report. her pending termination doesn't really coincide directly with her attitude/poor quality of work - it's tied more directly to the question of her being able to produce the report. you realize that at present there's no way that she can produce said report. it's not a question of her refusing to do it, but rather she does not have the tools/knowledge to produce the report. she's unaware that she's in the middle of this no-win situation.

at the same time you hear this, you realize that you are able to supply mary the means to produce the report. no one has asked you do to this, so whether or not you help her is entirely up to you. people will realize that you enabled her to produce the report, yet if you do nothing, no one will be the wiser.

do you help her, thereby saving her job, and yet burdening the rest of the instituion with her continued existance here, or do nothing and let events leading to her eventual termination run their course?

Responses:

Do the report, save her job, and tell her supervisors to treat her like a human being. - ReluctantCynic Nov 19, 12:54 1
- I agree. -- nm - lileve Nov 19, 13:04
Try to help her. Sucks I know but no one deserves to loose their jobs in this market. -- nm - lileve Nov 19, 12:46 3
- not sure about "no one". not trying and crappy attitude and drain on everyone else makes life bad for many. -- nm - zork Nov 19, 12:52 2
  - In the abscence of any evidence to the contrary that the majority of her co workers are the arseholes, it's best in these situations to err on the - Loyola Nov 19, 12:57
  - I know. -- nm - lileve Nov 19, 12:53
Help her. -- nm - Loyola Nov 19, 12:42
I'd help if she asked, or if I wanted her to stay or if I thought her failure would hurt the company or your customer (if applicable). - pmb Nov 19, 12:39
I'd help her with the hope that the bosses eventually realize how poor a worker she is and fire her. -- nm - krusty Nov 19, 12:33
Give her the tools, give her the second chance. After that, bupkus -- nm - con_carne Nov 19, 12:32
I would simply let her know if she needs any help on the report, to ask me...it is then up to her, AND should she ask and you help... - The Calico Cat Coalition Nov 19, 12:32
Serengeti Plain. - Dr.Vermin Nov 19, 12:30 1
- this is my suggesting, barring the task not getting done having profound negative consequences for the business ass a whole. -- nm - znufrii Nov 19, 12:31
Does doing the report help the organization? If so, I would do it. -- nm - David Nov 19, 12:30
do you know about the deadline officially? I might be like, hey mandy, if you need any help, let me know. - pilgrims and indians love mandy lane Nov 19, 12:30 2
- i don't know officially. that's an interesting take. -- nm - prayformojo Nov 19, 12:32 1
  - make it casual. don't fishgive, but mention casually that you know how to fish and have some time. -- nm - pilgrims and indians love mandy lane Nov 19, 12:36
i'd probably help her with the report - but if she's already on the chopping block, she'll go eventually anyway. -- nm - El Fandie Nov 19, 12:29
She should know how to ask for help to get the resources she needs to do her job, honestly. -- nm - TFox Nov 19, 12:29
sounds like they would come up with another reason if she did finish it. -- nm - zork Nov 19, 12:27
is she hot? -- nm - DaneDukeNuuk Nov 19, 12:27
Is this enablement teaching her a skill that will improve her quality of work or simply "doing it for her"? -- nm - oblique Nov 19, 12:27 4
- more the former. i'm not doing anything *for* her, but rather enabling her to do something herself -- nm - prayformojo Nov 19, 12:29 3
  - Would she be able to acheive that skill/talent/knowledge without you enablement? -- nm - VMan Nov 19, 12:30 2
    - not really -- nm - prayformojo Nov 19, 12:30 1
      - Like some of the others here. I would probably stay out of it unless asked directly for help. -- nm - VMan Nov 19, 12:32
Is she attractive and will repay you with sexual favours? I'd probably just stay out of it and let her fail. -- nm - VMan Nov 19, 12:27
can't you have your cake and eat it? (help her and seek to get her fired anyway) -- nm - Don Homer Nov 19, 12:27
what effect would it have on the business if the report does not get done? -- nm - znufrii Nov 19, 12:26
No. If she were to ask for help, then maybe. -- nm - Rorschach: 03/06/09 Nov 19, 12:26
(snicker) I might save her on this and let her poor quality get her fired on her own later. -- nm - Max Nov 19, 12:26 6
- interesting, though just basis of her performance/attitude, this should have been done a long time ago -- nm - prayformojo Nov 19, 12:28
- it could be that the report is a mickey mouse to give them an excuse to fire her... -- nm - znufrii Nov 19, 12:26 4
  - It sounds like they don't need an excuse as is. Trapping her is crappy management and I might be tempted to subvert them. -- nm - Max Nov 19, 12:28 3
    - this is interesting. i think the reason she's still here is that they don't want to deal with her directly. lord knows she's given them ample cause -- nm - prayformojo Nov 19, 12:33 2
      - erk. -- nm - znufrii Nov 19, 12:42
      - I hate that. Fire her for the right reasons. Don't demand her to run a mile in under 3 minutes and they claim she failed. - Max Nov 19, 12:40

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