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- they were possibly going to temporary suspend prop 8 until the thing is settled in court is what they said on tv on Monday. -- nm - Stacy Nov 19, 15:17
- I hope it turns out to be good news. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:13
Jack, did you find the temp file last night? - Subversive Nov 19, 15:10 1
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*lands private jet at The Compound* -- nm - budice Nov 19, 15:08 3
- By the way, when I say I want a private plane (not the float plane variant, but an actual private plane) this is the one I want -- (link) - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:11 2
  - You should probably thoroughly research its' safety record. The Osprey's record is not exemplary. -- nm - VMan Nov 19, 15:15 1
    - I am well aware. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:15
*reroutes 10 seconds of interest from the unspent 700B bailout into his private account* Okay, boat time! -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:02
SlackerTalk! All private jets, all the time! -- nm - Mop Nov 19, 15:01 1
- Jetgate! -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:02
I found out my psychiatrist has not been paid from my medical insurance company since Febuary and now I have to get involved with both parties -- nm - Stacy Nov 19, 14:54 4
- biblically involved? -- nm - Pippy Nov 19, 14:55 3
  - sexually? -- nm - budice Nov 19, 14:56 2
    - talking on the phone to get the bill settled, he is still seeing me in the meantime. You think he would have spoken up before now though. -- nm - Stacy Nov 19, 14:58 1
      - My SO is a prefered provider for a couple health ins systems and just had to get used to 3 - 6 month bill cycles -- nm - zeitgeist Nov 19, 15:07
I knew a dude years ago that worked for Microsoft. He had a conference to go to, so he booked a first class seat on a commercial flight. - crash davis Nov 19, 14:54 10
- my dad has used the bathroom at the the sametime as Gates a few times. They both play bridge and are at the same tournaments a few times a year. - Stacy Nov 19, 15:13
- But crash *flexible* schedules....... - musubi Nov 19, 15:04 1
  - Wonder what you guys would be saying if they showed up late because the plane was delayed - Stewie Nov 19, 15:27
- But Mr Bill, this was the last seat available on the flight -- nm - zeitgeist Nov 19, 15:03 3
  - Wouldn't a large company like MS have their own in house travel agent to book these flights according to company policy, wouldn't a very large frequen - zeitgeist Nov 19, 15:06 2
    - depends on the definition of "years ago" -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:07 1
      - And gives rise to alternate meanings of the words "stock options" -- nm - psilotum Nov 19, 15:12
- Plus now with technology, downtime can be even more productive -- nm - con_carne Nov 19, 14:59
- Your move -- nm - amoxy Nov 19, 14:55
- This is *exactly* what I'm thinking. - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:54
From ESPN radio, Mike Mussina is going to retire. - krusty Nov 19, 14:53 1
- "Mussina plans to move to Atlanta to connect with a new friend." -- nm - nubby Nov 19, 15:13
To me the funniest part is that in the whole shitty situation for this Big 3 hearing, the focus is on the plane trip. Nuts. -- nm - VMan Nov 19, 14:50 34
- See the senator had to fly commercial because the auto execs booked most of the corp jets available, grrrrrrrrr -- nm - zeitgeist Nov 19, 15:09
- Good thing no one asked how much those suits cost. -- nm - Mop Nov 19, 15:00
- Do they have a plan to cut costs? Increase Sales? Or do they just want a handout? -- nm - amoxy Nov 19, 14:56
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  - people hearing their explanations of the situation would do them a lot more good then this distraction -- nm - Stewie Nov 19, 14:59 5
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      - On a superficial level, it appears to be a demonstration of a systemic failure of prudent fiscal management. Why is that so hard to admit? -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:06 3
        
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        .... also, this exact scenario is why I'm opposed to the traditional method of fiscal conservativism in government budgets - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:09
        
        And for a company that asks for a handout to keep from going under *any* wastefullness, superficial or not, is *not* trivial. (nm) - musubi Nov 19, 15:09
  - History has proven that we cannot hold the upper echelon of society accountable on real issues. - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:59
  - they leaked the story so that congressmen would have outraged constituents calling them in the morning bitching about the ceo's luxury planes? - x Nov 19, 14:58 10
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      - your initial scenario seems....somewhat unlikely and hyperbolic....nm - x Nov 19, 15:04 8
        
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        so ramping up the silliness supposed to help us discuss things on a more serious level?....nm - x Nov 19, 15:09 5
        
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        you crack me up, man. i have honestly zero idea why you percieve that i'm trying to turn this into some sort of "personal fight".... - x Nov 19, 15:17 1
        
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        It's a war of escalation on both sides. That's how internet forums generally work :) -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:12 1
        
        hrm. someday i'll catch on....nm - x Nov 19, 15:13
        
        In this day and age, what doesn't? -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:05
- But it is something the average american can look at and say "fuck em!" Like AIG's spa trips...the accounting books put us to sleep - The Calico Cat Coalition Nov 19, 14:53 6
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    - Well, in both cases, let the band strike up La Marseillaise and let's storm the Bastille -- nm - The Calico Cat Coalition Nov 19, 14:59
    - It gets results. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:57 3
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        Won't change THEIR approach, but the rest the gang of thieves will straighten up -- nm - The Calico Cat Coalition Nov 19, 15:00
        
        It's a facetious joke. Think: Frankenstein. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:00
- It just makes it hard to believe them when they say "Give us a sack of money and we'll change." Why not start changing now? -- nm - TaurusII Nov 19, 14:53 4
  - I never heard them saying they'll change because of the buyout. Only that it gives them a chance to survive and continue on their recovery plans. -- nm - VMan Nov 19, 14:56 3
    - If they're not going to change they way they do business, why are we giving them money so that they can fail in 12 months instead of 6? -- nm - TaurusII Nov 19, 14:57 2
      - Hope. Hope they don't fail. As I've said before, I'm not very solidly behind a bailout. -- nm - VMan Nov 19, 14:58 1
        
        Coulda fooled me. ;^) -- nm - TaurusII Nov 19, 14:59
Last minute first class airline ticket from Detroit to DC: $1400. Figure 8 people on a plane, $20k doesn't seem so extravagent, does it? -- nm - oblique Nov 19, 14:44 31
- i've been involved with chartering a plane when it became more cost effective. but i can't say anything about *owning*. - El Fandie Nov 19, 14:51 3
  - I wonder what the Boeing execs fly around in. -- nm - psilotum Nov 19, 14:52 2
    - I would hope they fly an Airbus. Understanding the competition, you see. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:54
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- No $25 billion for *you*, then! -- nm - TaurusII Nov 19, 14:51
- Still twice as much...but this was $20,000 just for the GM exec...not the other two -- nm - The Calico Cat Coalition Nov 19, 14:50 4
  - Yes, but that's not necessarily an unreasonable increase for the convenience of travel on your own schedule -- nm - oblique Nov 19, 14:51 3
    - As so many people are facing layoff because companies need to cut costs...it actually kind of is. How many workers could have been paid yesterday... - The Calico Cat Coalition Nov 19, 14:56 2
      - 40. Assuming $30/hr average and an 8 hr day. He's attending a meeting that affects thousands. -- nm - VMan Nov 19, 15:02 1
        
        A meeting he could have attended for $9,000 less...a meeting where he was crying poor...claiming poor management was a thing of the past - The Calico Cat Coalition Nov 19, 15:05
- 8 in a group? wonder what it would cost to charter a private jet? -- nm - zeitgeist Nov 19, 14:48 1
  - Chartering also involves counting on the plane being ready. - VMan Nov 19, 14:55
- not so but still not warranted. Like Hyde said - it's a PR nightmare they should have anticipated -- nm - Pippy Nov 19, 14:48
- yet again: it has nothing to do with extravagance. it's the public perception that it plays into that undercuts... - x Nov 19, 14:47
- Well, yes it does. - musubi Nov 19, 14:45 15
  - I figure a CEO would never travel alone. Plus, when I flew on the company jet, it was almost never empty. Always someone in the company was also - oblique Nov 19, 14:51
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    - A CEO position isn't supposed to be an end reward for years of work, they are being compensated for making sure a company thrives - musubi Nov 19, 14:50 4
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        It's a salient point when they are in front of congress asking for $25B. - musubi Nov 19, 14:58 2
        
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        I came the closest. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 15:08
    - And if one CEO has his own jet.... -- nm - VMan Nov 19, 14:47 6
      - The co mpany should reward financially. Then the CEO can buy a jet, and expense the company for his travel time and fuel cost. - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:49 5
        
        Depends on the cost/benefit analysis. Is it cheaper to supply the employee with a car/jet or pay the expenses for him using his own? -- nm - VMan Nov 19, 14:52 3
        
        But *did they do* a CBA? And do they continue to re-do it when the economic situation changes? -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:53 2
        
        I would assume so. Their finance people were always sticklers at our meetings. -- nm - VMan Nov 19, 14:57 1
        
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  - Legal, PR, Makeup and hair people, personal assistants etc. etc. -- nm - VMan Nov 19, 14:46
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valve is selling the original half-life on steam for 98 cents to celebrate it's ten year anniversary.... - x Nov 19, 14:42 1
- Great game. A bit long, though. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:46
Here is how Mrs. CCC put the Auto Company/airplane fuss: It's like asking your inlaws for money to pay the rent... - The Calico Cat Coalition Nov 19, 14:41 13
- Yes. exactly. From a business perspective, that might not be the actual situation (maybe the car was borrowed?), but from a PR perspective, that is - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:42 12
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    - As a manufacturer, they should understand that perception is not trivial. - musubi Nov 19, 14:54
    - if that's so, they're actually even stupider than i thought they were....nm - x Nov 19, 14:50 1
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    - Really important issues like having really crappy products for the past ten years - amoxy Nov 19, 14:47 4
      - The quality gap is mostly a perceived issue. -- nm - VMan Nov 19, 14:48 2
        
        Read Consumer Reports Car Issue and see if you don't want to rephrase that. -- nm - TaurusII Nov 19, 14:58
        
        on a personal level? no it's not. -- nm - Pippy Nov 19, 14:54
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  - totally. it's a shining example of their managerial ineptitude....nm - x Nov 19, 14:44
  - Now, if the big three CEO's had driven to Washington in one of their own cars -- nm - amoxy Nov 19, 14:44 1
    - Preferably carpooled in a hybrid. -- nm - VMan Nov 19, 14:44
The reason I think that (some) private jets (particularly fleets of them) are unnecessary is the same reason I can't justify buying a boat. - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:37 28
- Thanks a ton for turning something fun like sailing into accounting. -- nm - David Nov 19, 14:42 4
  - Well, when we own a condo and are looking at buying a house on top of it, I have to be cautious. :) - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:44 3
    - Lots of those boats are business write offs to entertain 'clients' and 'reward' employees -- nm - zeitgeist Nov 19, 14:50 2
      - .... does this mean I could get a free boat? -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:58 1
        
        sure! you award the hardworking Slackertalk employees with a ride on it. -- nm - Remlik Nov 19, 15:08
- Yeah but you don't want to end up at 80 hobbling around the place saying to yourself I wish I had bought a boat. Gotta let the heart rule the head - Loyola Nov 19, 14:41 3
  - Yeah, but I can't afford $1000 a month in boat costs. (Financing + Moorage). I physically can't. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:46 2
    - I understand. At least you have it as a goal. -- nm - Loyola Nov 19, 14:49 1
      - Previous goals include buying a private island, owning a motor yacht, owning a private float plane, or a helicopter. - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:51
- I know it's overly simplistic, but I want the CEO to run on his schedule. Not having downtime in an airport or rescheduling to meet commercial flight -- nm - VMan Nov 19, 14:39 16
  - The cost difference...I'd prefer him to sit for a bit...even at four hours of waiting, it averages to about $5,000 an hour saved -- nm - The Calico Cat Coalition Nov 19, 14:49 1
    - That's great, but that CEO's probably making $5,000 an hour to just sit there. I'd rather he spend that time more productively. -- nm - Ender Nov 19, 15:14
  - Don't flights still have to be scheduled and file flight plans? - musubi Nov 19, 14:44 8
    - Yes, but A) they don't have to change planes in 3 cities to get from Point A to Point B and... - Ender Nov 19, 14:54
    - Yes, but you pretty much get to go when you need to, not on a fixed schedule -- nm - oblique Nov 19, 14:47 6
      - A last minute ticket, particularly business or first-class, is not hard to come by. - musubi Nov 19, 14:52 5
        
        They're still at the mercy of the airline's schedule though. -- nm - Ender Nov 19, 14:56 4
        
        I guarantee you that if I go onto travelocity or some other site, I can get a flight to any major american city in the next 1-2 hours. - musubi Nov 19, 15:00 3
        
        That's great if you're going from one major city to another. Auto plants aren't only in major cities though. - Ender Nov 19, 15:06 2
        
        When you're paying a guy $10,000,000 a year you don't want him wasting an entire day travelling just because Airline X doesn't have a direct flight from Point A to Point B. -- nm - Ender Nov 19, 15:09 1
        
        If Airline X can't get you there, try Airline Y. - musubi Nov 19, 15:13
  - Are they charting the planes from another company? That would be a slight improvement over owning their own fleet, were it so. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:40 4
    - I have no idea. I am assuming they all own a small fleet. They're likely not just for the CEO. -- nm - VMan Nov 19, 14:41 3
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        What wows them more, the private jet, or asking for taxpayer money to keep from going under? - musubi Nov 19, 14:47 1
        
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- *I* am tossing around the $20,000 because that is what ABC news claimed the cost of yesterday's flight was -- nm - The Calico Cat Coalition Nov 19, 14:39 1
  - Well, I knew it came from a news outlet, and we were just running with it. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:40
Canon asks customers not to cash cheques -- (link) - M Nov 19, 14:37
FWIW, Reagen had indicated to RKD that he's likely to win if Missouri stays red. -- nm - David Nov 19, 14:36 6
- Who is RKD? -- nm - psilotum Nov 19, 14:38 5
  - Earl the Car. -- nm - David Nov 19, 14:38 4
    - Thanks. -- nm - psilotum Nov 19, 14:47
    - This reminds me. Who is 'chris' on ST, from old TT? - Subversive Nov 19, 14:45 2
      - Gimme a "P" gimme an "I" gimme a "X" gimme an "I" gimme an"E" - amoxy Nov 19, 14:49
      - Your IM is correct, it's not redbird. Think ... smaller, more legs. And cardboard. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 19, 14:48
Sonic to acquire CinemaNow, aiming to take on iTunes. - David Nov 19, 14:35 2
- The fast food place or the hedgehog? -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Nov 19, 14:36 1
  - Se-ga. (nm) - David Nov 19, 14:37

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