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I may be naive, but I believe Leno and think he holds little blame in the whole late nite kerfuffle.

Posted by musubi Jan 19 '10, 14:52

I don't even think NBC is to be blamed for trying Leno at 10. Sure it predictably sucked, but at least they tried something different. They just had no exit strategy, and came up with the worst possible solution at the end of the day.

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NBC is just taking after Dubya! (I think Jay has more say in it than he lets on, especially from what other comedians have said.) - JaxSean Jan 19, 15:04
His fault is believing NBC when they told him Conan was cool with moving the Tonight Show. -- nm - Mop (226 lbs) Jan 19, 15:02 2
- yeah, "believing" -- nm - Roger More Jan 19, 15:04 1
  - deluding himself, then. -- nm - Mop (226 lbs) Jan 19, 15:05
If it happens once, Leno gets the benefit of the doubt. That was 18 years ago. Now, he's just a bastard. - David Jan 19, 14:59 17
- Why shouldn't he try to get what he wants? It's up to NBC to fire him if that's what they want to do. He's not making them do anything. -- nm - Dano Jan 19, 15:03 6
  - They're wrong too. It's like Randy Moss getting a big contract from the Raiders a few years ago. Both sides deserve one another. -- nm - David Jan 19, 15:12
  - So it's whatever Jay wants. Jay made a decision and a deal. Stick to it and say "No, I won't do that." -- nm - JaxSean Jan 19, 15:09 1
    - Wasn't NBC trying to break his contract too? His contract gave him two years at 10:00. -- nm - Dano Jan 19, 15:33
  - Agree here. He might be a arrogant jerk, but that doesn't necessarily lay the blame at his feet. (nm) - musubi Jan 19, 15:06
  - Right. It was NBC who made the call in order to keep Conan and then NBC who didn't want to pay the Conan penalty and then NBC.... - Name Withheld By Request Jan 19, 15:06 1
    - ~/ Mooooo-rons! In-comp-e-tent Mooo-rons! /~ -- nm - Beryllium Jan 19, 15:09
- Why should he want to go? He was still #1 in ratings. I didn't like him, but I think his response seems fair and reasonable. (nm) - musubi Jan 19, 15:02 1
  - Add The Late Shift to your Netflix queue. As for why he should want to go, he should have thought of that 5 years ago. -- nm - David Jan 19, 15:02
- a smarmy, convincing bastard. -- nm - Beryllium Jan 19, 15:01 7
  - For the sake of argument, were Conan's viewership figures less than those of Leno's previous show? -- nm - Loyola Jan 19, 15:04 5
    - Yes, they were. But that's comparing gingers to chins. The real comparison is in the start of each show. - Beryllium Jan 19, 15:07 4
      - I think if you're relying on there being something good to watch prior to your own show, in order for your show to be a success ratings wise, you - Loyola Jan 19, 15:13 3
        
        NBC's actions are spurred 100% by the news affiliates sandwiched in between Leno and Conan -- nm - Beryllium Jan 19, 15:17 2
        
        I really wonder if surrendering 10pm to the locals and moving Leno to 10:30 (1 hour) or 11:00 (30 minutes) might have worked. -- nm - Mop (226 lbs) Jan 19, 15:19 1
        
        I think 30 minutes of Leno was a good idea, but bumping the tonight show at the same time was not such a good idea -- nm - Beryllium Jan 19, 15:20
  - (He could be the next Governator) -- nm - Beryllium Jan 19, 15:01
I don't like though as part of his defense he's basically saying Conan is a failure. -- nm - Max Jan 19, 14:59 1
- It wasn't the *nicest* thing to say, but considering the *hammering* he's taken (good naturedly, I might add) from Kimmel, Letterman *and* Conan.... - musubi Jan 19, 15:08
The Slate Culture panel basically said the same thing last week. - Name Withheld By Request Jan 19, 14:59 16
- For viewers, high production values (a la CSI) is plenty bold and innovative -- nm - con_carne Jan 19, 15:02
- a lot of us do, yes. -- nm - Reagen Jan 19, 15:00 14
  - Why? Why should they be hit for trying it? - Name Withheld By Request Jan 19, 15:04 13
    - The ST hate for Leno was pretty strong when he tried this. I think that was because it would mean less big prety shows to fill up the TiVo - con_carne Jan 19, 15:07 3
      - What those discussions confirmed is that ST is smarter than NBC, which is kind of like beating a chicken at checkers. -- nm - David Jan 19, 15:15 1
        
        Unfortunately, I've never done that. But I did beat Carson Daly at public awareness. -- nm - Beryllium Jan 19, 15:16
      - I wouldn't say hate. - b. Jan 19, 15:10
    - It's like putting on 5 nights of The Jersey Shore. It's not being innovative - it's being cheap and unimaginitive. - JaxSean Jan 19, 15:07 7
      - Yes, but isn't figuring out the proper economics of running a network in the 21st Century a part of this? - Name Withheld By Request Jan 19, 15:12 4
        
        Sure, but keep in mind FOX has *no* late night programming. In that essence, they should just do Dateline and Law & Order 5 nights a week. -- nm - JaxSean Jan 19, 15:19
        
        there's a difference between never having something and taking something away. -- nm - Reagen Jan 19, 15:14 2
        
        Yeah, this argument carries little water with me. We're living the greatest era of television in history and I can't begrudge a network.... - Name Withheld By Request Jan 19, 15:21
        
        It's like NBC is conceding defeat, rather than fighting to regain #1 -- nm - Beryllium Jan 19, 15:15
      - Exactly. -- nm - pmb Jan 19, 15:09
      - and they were pretty open about cost being a big reason for it as well. - Reagen Jan 19, 15:09
    - Losing five hours of programming is a kick in the pants to serial fans, yes. But a lot of us saw this format not working. -- nm - Reagen Jan 19, 15:06
I do too, I think it's just easier to blame him if you didn't already like him to begin with. -- nm - Stephen Jan 19, 14:56
Listening to a link (out of sheer boredom) on the backboards earlier, I'd have to agree. -- nm - Loyola Jan 19, 14:55
I can't wait till Comcast cleans house. -- nm - Ender Jan 19, 14:53

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