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Yeah, Groiny, I agree with you...I think he's just in the facility to try to salvage whatever he can.

Posted by Will Hunting (aka JoeMetz) Jan 20 '10, 08:36

he's a man who likes sex...I'm not buying it's causing him to not be able to live his life.

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I disagree. It clearly is affecting his ability to maintain his relationship with his family. - pmb Jan 20, 08:41 29
- I can only guess that he probably knew of his "addiction" before he got married. - groiny Jan 20, 08:43 28
  - "See? I'm not really a lying cheating piece of shit bastard...I have a disease!!!!" - Jim Jan 20, 08:44 27
    - this is what i take issue with. i haven't seen him shun responsibility for any of this once. not a single word of his statements. - TFox Jan 20, 08:48 26
      - My lack of faith in his personal 'judgment' of his fault is genuinely diminishing my belief in this. - Will Hunting Jan 20, 08:53
      - I see it completely differently. It's acknowledging that you did it...but that it's definitely NOT your fault. You couldn't help it...you were - Jim Jan 20, 08:50 24
        
        I 100% disagree that implicit in acknowledging an addiction/mental health problem is a disassociation of responsibility. 100%. -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 08:52 23
        
        nmblink -- (link) - znufrii Jan 20, 08:55 [Backboard] 2 1
        
        Damn TFox...even znufrii's calling you out on this post. -- nm - Will Hunting Jan 20, 08:56 1
        
        whatever. i wanted to fit in in a subject. so shoot me. :) -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 08:57
        
        *BAM* Jim, you just got znuffri'd. (nm) - musubi Jan 20, 08:54 17
        
        in other words, i could be mad wrong, but nowhere in AA (I think) does it say "you aren't at fault for what you did". - TFox Jan 20, 08:56 16
        
        correct. - znufrii Jan 20, 08:57 2
        
        perhaps, though with no non-speculative evidence to the contrary... -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:00 1
        
        it just doesn't pass the smell test for me. - znufrii Jan 20, 09:04
        
        In AA, those people are often wired to 'need' the chemical bonds that booze gives them. - Will Hunting Jan 20, 08:57 12
        
        this is way too hair-splitty for me. there just isn't a big enough gap between alcoholism and sex addiction to treat them completely differently. -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 08:59 2
        
        I don't believe I'm treating them differently. Maybe I'm not following here. - Will Hunting Jan 20, 09:06
        
        I agree with TFox. (nm) - musubi Jan 20, 09:01
        
        Then how can they quit? -- nm - mara Jan 20, 08:59 8
        
        You learn coping mechanisms to replace that 'need' for the bond - Will Hunting Jan 20, 09:03 4
        
        And how is chemical addiction different? Yes, there is breaking the physical addiction, but it can't be "cured" without addressing the psyhological - pmb Jan 20, 09:04 2
        
        You're argument seems to be coming from the yes Tiger's a sex addict becuase he went to the clinic. - Will Hunting Jan 20, 09:08 1
        
        My argument is that you don't have a frikkin' clue whether he's in that boat or not. - pmb Jan 20, 09:10
        
        but this is the *exact* same thing. -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:03
        
        by manning up and not drinking. - groiny Jan 20, 09:01 2
        
        Which means maybe those chemical bonds are not so necessary after all. -- nm - mara Jan 20, 09:02
        
        by seeking help like AA/sex addition treatment, they are manning up double. - TFox Jan 20, 09:02
        
        big words. -- nm - Beaker Jan 20, 08:53 1
        
        (i know, huh? i like these though. i think most of us can follow these.) :) -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 08:54
I disagree. Sex and/or masturbation can interfere with your life if you can never stop yourself. Rehab for this saved Ducovney's marriage -- nm - zork Jan 20, 08:40 2
- or just proved to be a valuable scapegoat. nm -- nm - groiny Jan 20, 08:41 1
  - *ding* -- nm - Beaker Jan 20, 08:47
As with everything else Tiger-related, I will disagree. What you are saying is certainly possible, but he may also need help. -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 08:39
I actually think the whole idea of a clinic is a sham. - groiny Jan 20, 08:37 20
- I don't go that far..... - Will Hunting Jan 20, 08:39 19
  - See, I'd say, if you have a baby at home who you (presumably) love and aren't processing the consequences of your actions might include losing access - TFox Jan 20, 08:41 7
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      - The difference is whether it's a compulsive behavior. Yes, people screw up, ignore consequences, etc. and they too have issues to deal with. But it - pmb Jan 20, 08:49
      - yes, it is. but see, where i guess i'm going is, saying "i'm a sex addict" doesn't equate to "now i am not responsible for what i did". - TFox Jan 20, 08:46 4
        
        If that's his realization, I think he attends couples/marriage therapy.....not "I can't help but desire sexual gratification" therapy. - Will Hunting Jan 20, 08:47 3
        
        my biggest fear of getting married was that I was going to be able to be with only her. - groiny Jan 20, 08:51
        
        it seems like it's too late for that, because Elin didn't want to. which, you know, good call for her, probably. - TFox Jan 20, 08:49
        
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  - I am not sold on the "addiction" part of it. - groiny Jan 20, 08:40 10
    - Oh yeah...a lot of them and I don't include them in the group who 'need' targeted help like this. - Will Hunting Jan 20, 08:44 3
      - there's usually other problems going on as well, if it's an actual addiction. -- nm - znufrii Jan 20, 08:47 2
        
        Word. Now, if he was taking a "potty break" on the 15th green...I might agree that he has an addiction. :) -- nm - Jim Jan 20, 08:48 1
        
        Exactly. -- nm - Will Hunting Jan 20, 08:49
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      - ok, sure, but then why are we sure he isn't either? -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 08:42 1
        
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    - You need to watch that Dr. Drew show. -- nm - pmb Jan 20, 08:41 2
      - again, they have behaviour issues. not an actual "addiction" - groiny Jan 20, 08:44 1
        
        It's a compulsive behavior. If you're hung up on the word "addiction" that's fine, but it isn't any less of a significant problem. - pmb Jan 20, 08:47
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Yeah, Groiny, I agree with you...I think he's just in the facility to try to salvage whatever he can.

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