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In response to "IMO, the biggest difference between alcoholism and sex addiction is that more people *understand* alcoholism, because most of us drink." by TFox

And Will, LIR but, "If I go out and drink and act like a violent asshole; that doesn't make me an alcoholic"?

Posted by TFox Jan 20 '10, 09:07

I'd say in most cases, it does. Especially if you keep going back and drinking after seeing what happens when you do.

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If I stop drinking becuase I realized the issue, I'm not beholden to the booze...I'm not addicted. - Will Hunting Jan 20, 09:10 14
- And Will, my point is (which was LIR), that you don't have a clue what it is. - pmb Jan 20, 09:14
- Alcoholics don't drink against their will either. It's still a choice. Admitting adiction doesn't equal saying "it's not my fault". - musubi Jan 20, 09:11 12
  - Alcoholics can make a million excuses to have a drink (despite previous horrible consequences). - Andie Jan 20, 09:16 2
    - I agree and nothing I've said contradicts this. (nm) - musubi Jan 20, 09:25
    - The extent of the compartmentalized thinking is just amazing. -- nm - mara Jan 20, 09:20
  - They are severely compromised by the 'need' for the stimulus. - Will Hunting Jan 20, 09:15 8
    - It may be easier to say that, but that doesn't make it true. - musubi Jan 20, 09:17 7
      - i lived with an alchoholic i feel pretty confident saying she was not in control of herself. -- nm - Andie Jan 20, 09:18 6
        
        Does it absolve her for responsibility of her actions? No, and that's what we're saying. - musubi Jan 20, 09:24 5
        
        I never made this leap, at least knowingly. I don't believe it absolves him of all fault. - Will Hunting Jan 20, 09:30
        
        hell no, but it does explain them to a degree. i have no comment on Tiger, just because i don't know. - Andie Jan 20, 09:26 3
        
        They do have a choice. They accept powerlessness over alcohol, but they have the choice to reachout and get help to stop. - musubi Jan 20, 09:52 2
        
        i don't think we can say that. -- nm - Andie Jan 20, 09:55 1
        
        My understanding (and I'll gladly admit to being mistaken if I am), is that is the foundation of AA. - musubi Jan 20, 09:59
Right. Once is understandable, twice I'd at least be concerned, any more and there's no doubt. -- nm - Dano Jan 20, 09:10
no, that means you are a bad drunk. nm -- nm - groiny Jan 20, 09:10 4
- But once you know that and decide to get that drunk again anyway there's a problem. -- nm - Dano Jan 20, 09:11
- I think "bad drunk", if not the definition of alcoholic, is at least a SERIOUS warning sign. -- nm - TWuG Jan 20, 09:11 1
  - the definition of "alcoholic" is much broader than "I can't get through the day without drinking". -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:12
- provided that the two categories overlap significantly, yes. -- nm - znufrii Jan 20, 09:11
thats seems like a broad brush you have there to me anyway -- nm - Beaker Jan 20, 09:09 1
- lots of people cheat on their spouses and arent sex addicts just like lots of people drink and get a-holey and aren't alkies -- nm - Beaker Jan 20, 09:10
Agreed, once again. (nm) - musubi Jan 20, 09:08

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